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Attributes | |
ACN | 255916 |
Time | |
Date | 199311 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 255916 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were instructed by tower to exit at taxiway 36. In the captain's judgement (captain was PF), he was going too fast and elected to turn off on the subsequent taxiway -- number 42. As we made the turnoff, we were instructed to hold short of runway 25R and remain on tower frequency. I read back the clearance and assumed the captain had understood the clearance. As we approached the hold line, I noticed he wasn't stopping. I looked at him and began to speak. At this point, he immediately stopped the aircraft -- past the hold line, but short of the runway edge. An medium large transport was on takeoff roll and continued a normal takeoff. The captain later explained that, although he had heard the clearance, he had become momentarily confused about our position. There were new markings, some construction, and he was trying to plot a course to our gate. For my part, I was starting the APU and looking out the right window to check 25R. I should have initially obtained a clear acknowledgment from the captain that we had been instructed to hold short. One other point is that, when ATC issues an instruction during landing rollout, it is almost a sure thing that someone in the cockpit will not understand it due to the high degree of concentration on aircraft control.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LGT TAXIED JUST OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE.
Narrative: WE WERE INSTRUCTED BY TWR TO EXIT AT TXWY 36. IN THE CAPT'S JUDGEMENT (CAPT WAS PF), HE WAS GOING TOO FAST AND ELECTED TO TURN OFF ON THE SUBSEQUENT TXWY -- NUMBER 42. AS WE MADE THE TURNOFF, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25R AND REMAIN ON TWR FREQ. I READ BACK THE CLRNC AND ASSUMED THE CAPT HAD UNDERSTOOD THE CLRNC. AS WE APCHED THE HOLD LINE, I NOTICED HE WASN'T STOPPING. I LOOKED AT HIM AND BEGAN TO SPEAK. AT THIS POINT, HE IMMEDIATELY STOPPED THE ACFT -- PAST THE HOLD LINE, BUT SHORT OF THE RWY EDGE. AN MLG WAS ON TKOF ROLL AND CONTINUED A NORMAL TKOF. THE CAPT LATER EXPLAINED THAT, ALTHOUGH HE HAD HEARD THE CLRNC, HE HAD BECOME MOMENTARILY CONFUSED ABOUT OUR POS. THERE WERE NEW MARKINGS, SOME CONSTRUCTION, AND HE WAS TRYING TO PLOT A COURSE TO OUR GATE. FOR MY PART, I WAS STARTING THE APU AND LOOKING OUT THE R WINDOW TO CHK 25R. I SHOULD HAVE INITIALLY OBTAINED A CLR ACKNOWLEDGMENT FROM THE CAPT THAT WE HAD BEEN INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT. ONE OTHER POINT IS THAT, WHEN ATC ISSUES AN INSTRUCTION DURING LNDG ROLLOUT, IT IS ALMOST A SURE THING THAT SOMEONE IN THE COCKPIT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT DUE TO THE HIGH DEG OF CONCENTRATION ON ACFT CTL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.