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Attributes | |
ACN | 261488 |
Time | |
Date | 199401 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ggg |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ggg tower : sfo |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 7600 flight time type : 120 |
ASRS Report | 261488 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
First leg of trip dfw to tyr. On departure dfw, WX at tyr was reported clear and 15 mi visibility. Upon arrival we observed a ground fog was rolling in at tyr, with tops 20-40 ft AGL. We anticipated possible fog as well on our next leg to GGG as its location was only 35 mi away. We took on additional fuel, in case we needed to hold. WX at GGG was also reporting clear and 15 mi visibility when we departed tyr. Upon being turned over to GGG approach at 14 DME off GGG, approach control reported WX at GGG 3/8 mi visibility, winds calm. Captain said, 'we have GGG airport in sight. For purposes of shooting the approach, based on a PIREP from us, would you consider calling the airport visibility 1/2 mi. We have to have 1/2 mi to shoot the approach.' tower responded, 'uh! Yeah! Sure. Airport visibility 1/2 mi, however, be advised last report showed 3/8 visibility 2200 RVR. You are cleared for the ILS runway 13 GGG.' (this report was at 10 DME.) I told the captain I was not comfortable shooting the approach. At this point, we are localizer inbound at 2500 MSL. He said, 'you're doing fine. Continue the approach. Runway in sight.' outside fap at approximately 6 DME, tower stated, 'GGG runway RVR 2200.' captain responded 'we are doing this approach predicated on the 1/2 mi visibility you gave us previously. Tower said, 'roger, you're still cleared for the ILS 13.' I stated to the captain once again I was not comfortable shooting this approach. He told me to continue. 'You're doing fine, just continue on.' not wanting to make waves because I'd experienced previous clashes with this captain in the past, and feeling intimidated, I continued the approach. I was concentrating on the approach and making sure all the checklists were performed. All I heard at the time was '1/2 mi -- you're cleared for the ILS.' I did not realize at the time I might be considered shooting an approach illegally (1/2 mi or 2400 RVR minimum required). After careful analysis once on the ground we should have broken off the approach once the RVR was reported 2200. We should have held until the tower offered 1/2 mi or 24000 RVR.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT MAKES ILS APCH BELOW MINIMUMS.
Narrative: FIRST LEG OF TRIP DFW TO TYR. ON DEP DFW, WX AT TYR WAS RPTED CLR AND 15 MI VISIBILITY. UPON ARR WE OBSERVED A GND FOG WAS ROLLING IN AT TYR, WITH TOPS 20-40 FT AGL. WE ANTICIPATED POSSIBLE FOG AS WELL ON OUR NEXT LEG TO GGG AS ITS LOCATION WAS ONLY 35 MI AWAY. WE TOOK ON ADDITIONAL FUEL, IN CASE WE NEEDED TO HOLD. WX AT GGG WAS ALSO RPTING CLR AND 15 MI VISIBILITY WHEN WE DEPARTED TYR. UPON BEING TURNED OVER TO GGG APCH AT 14 DME OFF GGG, APCH CTL RPTED WX AT GGG 3/8 MI VISIBILITY, WINDS CALM. CAPT SAID, 'WE HAVE GGG ARPT IN SIGHT. FOR PURPOSES OF SHOOTING THE APCH, BASED ON A PIREP FROM US, WOULD YOU CONSIDER CALLING THE ARPT VISIBILITY 1/2 MI. WE HAVE TO HAVE 1/2 MI TO SHOOT THE APCH.' TWR RESPONDED, 'UH! YEAH! SURE. ARPT VISIBILITY 1/2 MI, HOWEVER, BE ADVISED LAST RPT SHOWED 3/8 VISIBILITY 2200 RVR. YOU ARE CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 13 GGG.' (THIS RPT WAS AT 10 DME.) I TOLD THE CAPT I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE SHOOTING THE APCH. AT THIS POINT, WE ARE LOC INBOUND AT 2500 MSL. HE SAID, 'YOU'RE DOING FINE. CONTINUE THE APCH. RWY IN SIGHT.' OUTSIDE FAP AT APPROX 6 DME, TWR STATED, 'GGG RWY RVR 2200.' CAPT RESPONDED 'WE ARE DOING THIS APCH PREDICATED ON THE 1/2 MI VISIBILITY YOU GAVE US PREVIOUSLY. TWR SAID, 'ROGER, YOU'RE STILL CLRED FOR THE ILS 13.' I STATED TO THE CAPT ONCE AGAIN I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE SHOOTING THIS APCH. HE TOLD ME TO CONTINUE. 'YOU'RE DOING FINE, JUST CONTINUE ON.' NOT WANTING TO MAKE WAVES BECAUSE I'D EXPERIENCED PREVIOUS CLASHES WITH THIS CAPT IN THE PAST, AND FEELING INTIMIDATED, I CONTINUED THE APCH. I WAS CONCENTRATING ON THE APCH AND MAKING SURE ALL THE CHKLISTS WERE PERFORMED. ALL I HEARD AT THE TIME WAS '1/2 MI -- YOU'RE CLRED FOR THE ILS.' I DID NOT REALIZE AT THE TIME I MIGHT BE CONSIDERED SHOOTING AN APCH ILLEGALLY (1/2 MI OR 2400 RVR MINIMUM REQUIRED). AFTER CAREFUL ANALYSIS ONCE ON THE GND WE SHOULD HAVE BROKEN OFF THE APCH ONCE THE RVR WAS RPTED 2200. WE SHOULD HAVE HELD UNTIL THE TWR OFFERED 1/2 MI OR 24000 RVR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.