37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 262883 |
Time | |
Date | 199403 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rbv airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5900 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute : on vectors enroute airway : ewr |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 262883 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were assigned the warrd 4 STAR with a pxt transition. Ewr was landing runway 22L. Our flight crossed rbv and turned to a 360 degree heading, then a descent to 6000 ft. Just before reaching 6000 ft, received a TCASII TA for a target at 12 O'clock and 500 ft above us. As we were searching for this traffic, the TA became an RA advising us to descend. Even though the WX was perfect, we had not acquired the target visually, so I followed the RA and began a descent. I asked the first officer to advise ATC but he was unable to do this because the controller was talking nonstop. Immediately after beginning the descent, I caught a glimpse of the target passing overhead about 500 ft above us. I then leveled off at 5900 ft and returned to 6000 ft. After I advised ATC, the controller reported that he held a target about 1 NM behind us descending through 6000 ft. Also, the controller (at my request) reported our position as 5 NM outside of the class B airspace. I believe what may have happened here is that the intruder aircraft was legally operating just outside of the class B airspace probably sbound either on or just west of V-252 at 6500 ft, and chose 15-20 NM north of rbv to begin to descend bringing him into close proximity to our flight. The problem, in my opinion, is that we were at 6000 ft. We should not be that low that far from the airport. Ny arrival and departure procedures should be changed so that no jets are operated below 10000 ft outside of the TCA. Also, something should be done about controllers talking nonstop. This is a safety hazard common to all busy terminals. However, if a controller is really that busy he/she is overworked.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG DSNDED IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII COMMAND.
Narrative: WE WERE ASSIGNED THE WARRD 4 STAR WITH A PXT TRANSITION. EWR WAS LNDG RWY 22L. OUR FLT CROSSED RBV AND TURNED TO A 360 DEG HDG, THEN A DSCNT TO 6000 FT. JUST BEFORE REACHING 6000 FT, RECEIVED A TCASII TA FOR A TARGET AT 12 O'CLOCK AND 500 FT ABOVE US. AS WE WERE SEARCHING FOR THIS TFC, THE TA BECAME AN RA ADVISING US TO DSND. EVEN THOUGH THE WX WAS PERFECT, WE HAD NOT ACQUIRED THE TARGET VISUALLY, SO I FOLLOWED THE RA AND BEGAN A DSCNT. I ASKED THE FO TO ADVISE ATC BUT HE WAS UNABLE TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE CTLR WAS TALKING NONSTOP. IMMEDIATELY AFTER BEGINNING THE DSCNT, I CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE TARGET PASSING OVERHEAD ABOUT 500 FT ABOVE US. I THEN LEVELED OFF AT 5900 FT AND RETURNED TO 6000 FT. AFTER I ADVISED ATC, THE CTLR RPTED THAT HE HELD A TARGET ABOUT 1 NM BEHIND US DSNDING THROUGH 6000 FT. ALSO, THE CTLR (AT MY REQUEST) RPTED OUR POS AS 5 NM OUTSIDE OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE. I BELIEVE WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED HERE IS THAT THE INTRUDER ACFT WAS LEGALLY OPERATING JUST OUTSIDE OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE PROBABLY SBOUND EITHER ON OR JUST W OF V-252 AT 6500 FT, AND CHOSE 15-20 NM N OF RBV TO BEGIN TO DSND BRINGING HIM INTO CLOSE PROX TO OUR FLT. THE PROB, IN MY OPINION, IS THAT WE WERE AT 6000 FT. WE SHOULD NOT BE THAT LOW THAT FAR FROM THE ARPT. NY ARR AND DEP PROCS SHOULD BE CHANGED SO THAT NO JETS ARE OPERATED BELOW 10000 FT OUTSIDE OF THE TCA. ALSO, SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT CTLRS TALKING NONSTOP. THIS IS A SAFETY HAZARD COMMON TO ALL BUSY TERMINALS. HOWEVER, IF A CTLR IS REALLY THAT BUSY HE/SHE IS OVERWORKED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.