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Attributes | |
ACN | 266158 |
Time | |
Date | 199403 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pdx |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : zse |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 266158 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On the bonul 3 arrival into pdx approximately 60 DME on the 079 degree radial off pdx, given a discretion descent from 20000 ft to cross 'rainr' (pdx 079 degree radial 45 DME) at or above 13000 ft, cross 'bonvl' at 10000 ft. We crossed 'bonvl' at 12000 ft and leveled at 10000 ft, more than 3 NM past 'bonvl.' at 50 DME the captain began a 500 FPM descent. I advised him that we were 20 NM from 'bonvl' and 10000 ft high. He then set the autoplt to 1200 FPM, but that was the only response I received from him. I then advised the captain we were 15 NM from 'bonvl' and more than 8000 ft high. Again, his only response was to increase the descent to about 2000 FPM. I then asked him if he was going to make the restr. Again, he gave no response except to add 200 FPM to the descent. Approximately 5-6 NM from 'bonvl' I asked him again if he was going to make it or should I say something to ATC. He finally replied with 'if you think you need to.' I did not say anything to ATC, as a moment later center advised us to contact approach. I have flown with this captain before. In my opinion he is a poor pilot in terms of head work. He won't take suggestions. He believes he does everything right! There are too many of these guys flying out there, like the one that killed my friend in hibbing, mn.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN MDT ACR ACFT FAILED TO MAKE A XING RESTRICTION DURING A STAR ARR EVEN AFTER THE FO GAVE SEVERAL WARNINGS DURING THE DSCNT.
Narrative: ON THE BONUL 3 ARR INTO PDX APPROX 60 DME ON THE 079 DEG RADIAL OFF PDX, GIVEN A DISCRETION DSCNT FROM 20000 FT TO CROSS 'RAINR' (PDX 079 DEG RADIAL 45 DME) AT OR ABOVE 13000 FT, CROSS 'BONVL' AT 10000 FT. WE CROSSED 'BONVL' AT 12000 FT AND LEVELED AT 10000 FT, MORE THAN 3 NM PAST 'BONVL.' AT 50 DME THE CAPT BEGAN A 500 FPM DSCNT. I ADVISED HIM THAT WE WERE 20 NM FROM 'BONVL' AND 10000 FT HIGH. HE THEN SET THE AUTOPLT TO 1200 FPM, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY RESPONSE I RECEIVED FROM HIM. I THEN ADVISED THE CAPT WE WERE 15 NM FROM 'BONVL' AND MORE THAN 8000 FT HIGH. AGAIN, HIS ONLY RESPONSE WAS TO INCREASE THE DSCNT TO ABOUT 2000 FPM. I THEN ASKED HIM IF HE WAS GOING TO MAKE THE RESTR. AGAIN, HE GAVE NO RESPONSE EXCEPT TO ADD 200 FPM TO THE DSCNT. APPROX 5-6 NM FROM 'BONVL' I ASKED HIM AGAIN IF HE WAS GOING TO MAKE IT OR SHOULD I SAY SOMETHING TO ATC. HE FINALLY REPLIED WITH 'IF YOU THINK YOU NEED TO.' I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING TO ATC, AS A MOMENT LATER CTR ADVISED US TO CONTACT APCH. I HAVE FLOWN WITH THIS CAPT BEFORE. IN MY OPINION HE IS A POOR PLT IN TERMS OF HEAD WORK. HE WON'T TAKE SUGGESTIONS. HE BELIEVES HE DOES EVERYTHING RIGHT! THERE ARE TOO MANY OF THESE GUYS FLYING OUT THERE, LIKE THE ONE THAT KILLED MY FRIEND IN HIBBING, MN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.