Runway incursion air carrier X crossed runway hold line.

Attributes
ACN	269563
Time
Date	199404
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : mia
State Reference	FL
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : second officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 1700
ASRS Report	269563
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Air carrier X instructed to taxi to runway 9L via taxiway P. Tower advised that we had overrun hold bar by 100 ft, but no conflict. Crew never saw any hold bars (night, rain had ended in last hour), or red runway sign. When notified of overrun, aircraft was on green taxiway lights and blue taxiway lights observed on both sides of aircraft. Hold short area appears to be inadequately marked. May be due to large apron area where 4 parallel txwys (Q, P, M, north) merge. Need yellow taxi bar for hold short area. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: plans and procedures specialist at mia was contacted. Specialist stated that the airport signage and markings are in compliance with FAA standards. The airport had put flush hold bar lights across the taxiway but had to move them back 30 ft. The hold bar lines were moved back but the lights have not been reinstalled. Mia has not had any other complaints about the hold lines.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: RWY INCURSION ACR X CROSSED RWY HOLD LINE.

Narrative: ACR X INSTRUCTED TO TAXI TO RWY 9L VIA TXWY P. TWR ADVISED THAT WE HAD OVERRUN HOLD BAR BY 100 FT, BUT NO CONFLICT. CREW NEVER SAW ANY HOLD BARS (NIGHT, RAIN HAD ENDED IN LAST HR), OR RED RWY SIGN. WHEN NOTIFIED OF OVERRUN, ACFT WAS ON GREEN TXWY LIGHTS AND BLUE TXWY LIGHTS OBSERVED ON BOTH SIDES OF ACFT. HOLD SHORT AREA APPEARS TO BE INADEQUATELY MARKED. MAY BE DUE TO LARGE APRON AREA WHERE 4 PARALLEL TXWYS (Q, P, M, N) MERGE. NEED YELLOW TAXI BAR FOR HOLD SHORT AREA. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: PLANS AND PROCS SPECIALIST AT MIA WAS CONTACTED. SPECIALIST STATED THAT THE ARPT SIGNAGE AND MARKINGS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FAA STANDARDS. THE ARPT HAD PUT FLUSH HOLD BAR LIGHTS ACROSS THE TXWY BUT HAD TO MOVE THEM BACK 30 FT. THE HOLD BAR LINES WERE MOVED BACK BUT THE LIGHTS HAVE NOT BEEN REINSTALLED. MIA HAS NOT HAD ANY OTHER COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE HOLD LINES.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.