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Attributes | |
ACN | 277719 |
Time | |
Date | 199407 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : nzj airport : lgb |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8150 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 277719 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Although this wasn't a near miss, if I had followed the controller's instructions or ignored TCASII, it would have been. We were on a southerly vector off of the kayoh arrival into lgb. The controller called traffic at 1 O'clock moving to 11 O'clock 7500 ft (we were level at 8000 ft). He instructed us to descend to 4000 ft. While I was thinking about the 12 O'clock traffic (about 2 seconds) we immediately got a climb, climb. I kicked off autoplt and altitude hold and climbed. At about 8150 ft the threat disappeared. I notified ATC of our climb and that we were back level at 8000 ft and to confirm our descent to 4000 ft. His comment was roger. I informed him again that we had received a RA TCASII to climb when he gave us the initial descent instructions. Once again, all he said was roger! I definitely have more respect for TCASII now. I wish our company would put it on the radar display on non EFIS and on our CRT's on the EFIS aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC.
Narrative: ALTHOUGH THIS WASN'T A NEAR MISS, IF I HAD FOLLOWED THE CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS OR IGNORED TCASII, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN. WE WERE ON A SOUTHERLY VECTOR OFF OF THE KAYOH ARR INTO LGB. THE CTLR CALLED TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK MOVING TO 11 O'CLOCK 7500 FT (WE WERE LEVEL AT 8000 FT). HE INSTRUCTED US TO DSND TO 4000 FT. WHILE I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE 12 O'CLOCK TFC (ABOUT 2 SECONDS) WE IMMEDIATELY GOT A CLB, CLB. I KICKED OFF AUTOPLT AND ALT HOLD AND CLBED. AT ABOUT 8150 FT THE THREAT DISAPPEARED. I NOTIFIED ATC OF OUR CLB AND THAT WE WERE BACK LEVEL AT 8000 FT AND TO CONFIRM OUR DSCNT TO 4000 FT. HIS COMMENT WAS ROGER. I INFORMED HIM AGAIN THAT WE HAD RECEIVED A RA TCASII TO CLB WHEN HE GAVE US THE INITIAL DSCNT INSTRUCTIONS. ONCE AGAIN, ALL HE SAID WAS ROGER! I DEFINITELY HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR TCASII NOW. I WISH OUR COMPANY WOULD PUT IT ON THE RADAR DISPLAY ON NON EFIS AND ON OUR CRT'S ON THE EFIS ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.