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Attributes | |
ACN | 283227 |
Time | |
Date | 199409 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yul |
State Reference | PQ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1100 msl bound upper : 1100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : yul tower : yul |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial ground : preflight |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 283227 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
I called to receive my clearance from dorval ground control. A woman with a thick french accent read to me 'dorval 5 departure squawk XXXX.' what I heard and could understand was -- 'dorvall (something) departure squawk XXXX.' I read back 'that was the dorval departure, squawk XXXX.' she replied 'readback correct.' I went to my commercial charts and found the first SID from back to front (as one would typically search to find a SID) was the dorval 6 departure. Runway 28 was the active departure runway. The SID called for a right turn to 315 degrees and maintain 3000 ft. I then went on to review the noise abatement procedures on the next 2 commercial pages. After takeoff and while in the turn to 315 degrees, departure control told us to fly runway heading and climb to FL230. I replied back 'back to runway heading and FL230.' the controller asked if we were turning. After a few moments of silence the controller pointed out to us that there are both dorval 5 and dorval 6 departures. Dorval 5 is for jets and calls for runway heading off runway 28. I am not familiar with any other airport that has multiple sids named the same, only a different number. A different number designates a revision in the SID. I believe this 'same name, different number' SID directly led to our confusion. Renaming 1 of the 2 sids (ie, dorval 5 and montreal 1) would keep this from happening to some other unsuspecting pilots. Also contributing to this was the accent the controller had and my lack of position identify of the assigned SID.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR CREW FLEW THE WRONG SID.
Narrative: I CALLED TO RECEIVE MY CLRNC FROM DORVAL GND CTL. A WOMAN WITH A THICK FRENCH ACCENT READ TO ME 'DORVAL 5 DEP SQUAWK XXXX.' WHAT I HEARD AND COULD UNDERSTAND WAS -- 'DORVALL (SOMETHING) DEP SQUAWK XXXX.' I READ BACK 'THAT WAS THE DORVAL DEP, SQUAWK XXXX.' SHE REPLIED 'READBACK CORRECT.' I WENT TO MY COMMERCIAL CHARTS AND FOUND THE FIRST SID FROM BACK TO FRONT (AS ONE WOULD TYPICALLY SEARCH TO FIND A SID) WAS THE DORVAL 6 DEP. RWY 28 WAS THE ACTIVE DEP RWY. THE SID CALLED FOR A R TURN TO 315 DEGS AND MAINTAIN 3000 FT. I THEN WENT ON TO REVIEW THE NOISE ABATEMENT PROCS ON THE NEXT 2 COMMERCIAL PAGES. AFTER TKOF AND WHILE IN THE TURN TO 315 DEGS, DEP CTL TOLD US TO FLY RWY HDG AND CLB TO FL230. I REPLIED BACK 'BACK TO RWY HDG AND FL230.' THE CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE TURNING. AFTER A FEW MOMENTS OF SILENCE THE CTLR POINTED OUT TO US THAT THERE ARE BOTH DORVAL 5 AND DORVAL 6 DEPS. DORVAL 5 IS FOR JETS AND CALLS FOR RWY HDG OFF RWY 28. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY OTHER ARPT THAT HAS MULTIPLE SIDS NAMED THE SAME, ONLY A DIFFERENT NUMBER. A DIFFERENT NUMBER DESIGNATES A REVISION IN THE SID. I BELIEVE THIS 'SAME NAME, DIFFERENT NUMBER' SID DIRECTLY LED TO OUR CONFUSION. RENAMING 1 OF THE 2 SIDS (IE, DORVAL 5 AND MONTREAL 1) WOULD KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING TO SOME OTHER UNSUSPECTING PLTS. ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THIS WAS THE ACCENT THE CTLR HAD AND MY LACK OF POS IDENT OF THE ASSIGNED SID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.