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Attributes | |
ACN | 289176 |
Time | |
Date | 199411 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mia |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 289176 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Ground control told us to hold short of taxiway 'V-2.' it is unmarked on the airport (no sign) but we were able to locate it on airport diagram. After holding short of V for several mins, we asked if we could continue. Ground asked us about our gate, and then told us to continue. After crossing the intersection (V-2), ground control said 'you went right through it' (v- 2). This was right after he cleared us to cross it (V-2) and after we had held short of it for several mins. (It seems that he forgot his instructions to us, and where we were on the airport. Also, although we were able to find the intersection on the airport. Diagram, we found no sign for it on the airport. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states that sign changes have been going on for some time and believes that the signage is ok now. Possible exception would be the sign blown over by a 747 the other day. Reporter had landed on runway 3R, turned off at V taxiway and were taxiing west. Complied with ground controller instructions and got chewed out for his efforts. He indicated that this happened frequently at dtw. The problem is the terminal area with old concourses and too many aircraft in 1 place at 1 time. Reporter believes the terminal should be completely demolished and start from scratch with a new one.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT GIVEN TXWY HOLD INSTRUCTIONS, THEN CLRED TO PROCEED, THEN CHEWED OUT AS THEY COMPLY.
Narrative: GND CTL TOLD US TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY 'V-2.' IT IS UNMARKED ON THE ARPT (NO SIGN) BUT WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE IT ON ARPT DIAGRAM. AFTER HOLDING SHORT OF V FOR SEVERAL MINS, WE ASKED IF WE COULD CONTINUE. GND ASKED US ABOUT OUR GATE, AND THEN TOLD US TO CONTINUE. AFTER XING THE INTXN (V-2), GND CTL SAID 'YOU WENT RIGHT THROUGH IT' (V- 2). THIS WAS RIGHT AFTER HE CLRED US TO CROSS IT (V-2) AND AFTER WE HAD HELD SHORT OF IT FOR SEVERAL MINS. (IT SEEMS THAT HE FORGOT HIS INSTRUCTIONS TO US, AND WHERE WE WERE ON THE ARPT. ALSO, ALTHOUGH WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THE INTXN ON THE ARPT. DIAGRAM, WE FOUND NO SIGN FOR IT ON THE ARPT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THAT SIGN CHANGES HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME AND BELIEVES THAT THE SIGNAGE IS OK NOW. POSSIBLE EXCEPTION WOULD BE THE SIGN BLOWN OVER BY A 747 THE OTHER DAY. RPTR HAD LANDED ON RWY 3R, TURNED OFF AT V TXWY AND WERE TAXIING W. COMPLIED WITH GND CTLR INSTRUCTIONS AND GOT CHEWED OUT FOR HIS EFFORTS. HE INDICATED THAT THIS HAPPENED FREQUENTLY AT DTW. THE PROB IS THE TERMINAL AREA WITH OLD CONCOURSES AND TOO MANY ACFT IN 1 PLACE AT 1 TIME. RPTR BELIEVES THE TERMINAL SHOULD BE COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED AND START FROM SCRATCH WITH A NEW ONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.