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Medium large transport crew at msy were issued taxi instructions via taxiway F without the runway stated. ATIS indicated runway 19 in use. Flight crew crossed runway 10/28 enroute to runway 19.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 468267 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200003 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msy.airport |
| State Reference | LA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 2200 |
| ASRS Report | 468267 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On clearance to taxi controller said, 'taxi ? Via taxiway F.' departure runway was runway 19 according to ATIS. An aircraft had just landed on runway 10/28. There was no mention of hold short of runway 10 or 28 in the clearance, so both pilots understood the clearance to taxi to runway 19 all the way. As we crossed runway 10/28 the ground controller commented that we had missed runway 28. With that we did a 180 degree turn and held short of runway 28 while we did takeoff data for runway 28 at the taxiway F intersection. The additional comment from the controller was that they had switched the runways to land runway 19 takeoff runway 28. I think terminology in this situation could have been more clear. For instance 'taxi to runway 28' 'hold short' at taxiway F. There was no runway incursion and the only problem was crossing an active runway, which we assumed was included in the taxi clearance. I should have questioned the crossing but standard phraseology did not alarm me to an active runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG CREW AT MSY WERE ISSUED TAXI INSTRUCTIONS VIA TXWY F WITHOUT THE RWY STATED. ATIS INDICATED RWY 19 IN USE. FLT CREW CROSSED RWY 10/28 ENROUTE TO RWY 19.
Narrative: ON CLRNC TO TAXI CTLR SAID, 'TAXI ? VIA TXWY F.' DEP RWY WAS RWY 19 ACCORDING TO ATIS. AN ACFT HAD JUST LANDED ON RWY 10/28. THERE WAS NO MENTION OF HOLD SHORT OF RWY 10 OR 28 IN THE CLRNC, SO BOTH PLTS UNDERSTOOD THE CLRNC TO TAXI TO RWY 19 ALL THE WAY. AS WE CROSSED RWY 10/28 THE GND CTLR COMMENTED THAT WE HAD MISSED RWY 28. WITH THAT WE DID A 180 DEG TURN AND HELD SHORT OF RWY 28 WHILE WE DID TKOF DATA FOR RWY 28 AT THE TXWY F INTXN. THE ADDITIONAL COMMENT FROM THE CTLR WAS THAT THEY HAD SWITCHED THE RWYS TO LAND RWY 19 TKOF RWY 28. I THINK TERMINOLOGY IN THIS SIT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLR. FOR INSTANCE 'TAXI TO RWY 28' 'HOLD SHORT' AT TXWY F. THERE WAS NO RWY INCURSION AND THE ONLY PROB WAS XING AN ACTIVE RWY, WHICH WE ASSUMED WAS INCLUDED IN THE TAXI CLRNC. I SHOULD HAVE QUESTIONED THE XING BUT STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY DID NOT ALARM ME TO AN ACTIVE RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.