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Attributes | |
ACN | 296308 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mlf |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12700 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 296308 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The flight was anticipating an immediate and rapid descent considering our altitude and distance from our destination (approximately 60 NM east at FL390). When center finally cleared us to a lower altitude, the PNF received the call and set the altitude preselect and notified me. I had not monitored the original call. We started a rapid descent (3000 FPM) from FL390 toward FL270. However, passing FL360 we were notified we were cleared to only FL370. The PNF felt certain he heard FL270, not FL370, and had set the preselect accordingly. We leveled by FL350 and climbed to FL370. The confusion on radios between 2's and 3's is long standing. The PNF also remembers repeating 'FL270' when replying to the center's descent clearance. I suggest that altitude clrncs be issued in the standard format, ie, 'FL370,' however, the response should be differently expressed, ie, 'descending/climbing to 37.' this way, 20 and 30 are less confusing on the radio than 2 and 3. This is the way we usually respond, and feel the controller missed our response.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ALT OVERSHOT IN DSCNT.
Narrative: THE FLT WAS ANTICIPATING AN IMMEDIATE AND RAPID DSCNT CONSIDERING OUR ALT AND DISTANCE FROM OUR DEST (APPROX 60 NM E AT FL390). WHEN CTR FINALLY CLRED US TO A LOWER ALT, THE PNF RECEIVED THE CALL AND SET THE ALT PRESELECT AND NOTIFIED ME. I HAD NOT MONITORED THE ORIGINAL CALL. WE STARTED A RAPID DSCNT (3000 FPM) FROM FL390 TOWARD FL270. HOWEVER, PASSING FL360 WE WERE NOTIFIED WE WERE CLRED TO ONLY FL370. THE PNF FELT CERTAIN HE HEARD FL270, NOT FL370, AND HAD SET THE PRESELECT ACCORDINGLY. WE LEVELED BY FL350 AND CLBED TO FL370. THE CONFUSION ON RADIOS BTWN 2'S AND 3'S IS LONG STANDING. THE PNF ALSO REMEMBERS REPEATING 'FL270' WHEN REPLYING TO THE CTR'S DSCNT CLRNC. I SUGGEST THAT ALT CLRNCS BE ISSUED IN THE STANDARD FORMAT, IE, 'FL370,' HOWEVER, THE RESPONSE SHOULD BE DIFFERENTLY EXPRESSED, IE, 'DSNDING/CLBING TO 37.' THIS WAY, 20 AND 30 ARE LESS CONFUSING ON THE RADIO THAN 2 AND 3. THIS IS THE WAY WE USUALLY RESPOND, AND FEEL THE CTLR MISSED OUR RESPONSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.