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Attributes | |
ACN | 298354 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : aml airport : iad |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7700 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : iad |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14700 flight time type : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 298354 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Descending from 11000 ft MSL to 8000 ft MSL, clearance was given to turn to a heading of 160 degrees, descend to 6000 ft for runway 1R at dulles. Both my copilot and I believe we heard the clearance as stated. I turned to a heading of 160 degrees as the copilot read back the above clearance. Passing 9000 ft MSL, ATC pointed out traffic at 10 O'clock at 12 mi, 7000 ft. Passing 7700 ft, ATC pointed out traffic at 2 O'clock at 6 mi and said we were to level off at 8000 ft but should now expedite descent to 5000 ft. We did expedite to 5000 ft. As we did, ATC said no traffic conflict took place and we asked for a telephone # to call when we got on the ground. When I called the TRACON and spoke to the supervisor, he said that his personnel were certain our clearance was only for 8000 ft, and could not remember my copilot reading back 6000 ft initially or stating the altitude (6000 ft) we were descending to when we verified initial report of traffic at 1 O'clock at 12 mi. During our very professional exchange on the telephone, he indicated he would pull the tapes and I would call back the next morning. Outcome: ATC supervisor verified we were only cleared to 8000 ft initially but yes we did read back 6000 ft on the initial readback and again when we verified the initial call of traffic at 1 O'clock at 12 mi. The controller missed both our initial readback to descend to 6000 ft and the reference to our descent to 6000 ft when we verified the traffic report. Lessons/behavior change: 1) pilots are responsible for clrncs whether readback correctly or not.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG OVERSHOT DSCNT ALT.
Narrative: DSNDING FROM 11000 FT MSL TO 8000 FT MSL, CLRNC WAS GIVEN TO TURN TO A HDG OF 160 DEGS, DSND TO 6000 FT FOR RWY 1R AT DULLES. BOTH MY COPLT AND I BELIEVE WE HEARD THE CLRNC AS STATED. I TURNED TO A HDG OF 160 DEGS AS THE COPLT READ BACK THE ABOVE CLRNC. PASSING 9000 FT MSL, ATC POINTED OUT TFC AT 10 O'CLOCK AT 12 MI, 7000 FT. PASSING 7700 FT, ATC POINTED OUT TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK AT 6 MI AND SAID WE WERE TO LEVEL OFF AT 8000 FT BUT SHOULD NOW EXPEDITE DSCNT TO 5000 FT. WE DID EXPEDITE TO 5000 FT. AS WE DID, ATC SAID NO TFC CONFLICT TOOK PLACE AND WE ASKED FOR A TELEPHONE # TO CALL WHEN WE GOT ON THE GND. WHEN I CALLED THE TRACON AND SPOKE TO THE SUPVR, HE SAID THAT HIS PERSONNEL WERE CERTAIN OUR CLRNC WAS ONLY FOR 8000 FT, AND COULD NOT REMEMBER MY COPLT READING BACK 6000 FT INITIALLY OR STATING THE ALT (6000 FT) WE WERE DSNDING TO WHEN WE VERIFIED INITIAL RPT OF TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK AT 12 MI. DURING OUR VERY PROFESSIONAL EXCHANGE ON THE TELEPHONE, HE INDICATED HE WOULD PULL THE TAPES AND I WOULD CALL BACK THE NEXT MORNING. OUTCOME: ATC SUPVR VERIFIED WE WERE ONLY CLRED TO 8000 FT INITIALLY BUT YES WE DID READ BACK 6000 FT ON THE INITIAL READBACK AND AGAIN WHEN WE VERIFIED THE INITIAL CALL OF TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK AT 12 MI. THE CTLR MISSED BOTH OUR INITIAL READBACK TO DSND TO 6000 FT AND THE REF TO OUR DSCNT TO 6000 FT WHEN WE VERIFIED THE TFC RPT. LESSONS/BEHAVIOR CHANGE: 1) PLTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLRNCS WHETHER READBACK CORRECTLY OR NOT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.