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Attributes | |
ACN | 298940 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phx |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 20 agl bound upper : 20 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Airbus Industrie Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 298940 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On approach behind B-757 by 4 mi, this aircraft touched down an airbus cleared into position when we were 2 mi out cleared for takeoff we were 1.5 mi out 20 ft from touchdown in B757. Aircraft encountered violent wake turbulence. Rapid roll to right maximum power full left aileron. Aircraft still made firm touchdown on runway. Separation still too close if aircraft had aborted or we had gone around it would have required some rapid movements as it was the turbulence we encountered was too much for aircraft to recover from. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter had 2 aircraft in front of him during his approach. 1 aircraft was landing 4 mi ahead (a B-757) and the aircraft in takeoff position was an A-300. His approach had been smooth until the flare for landing occurred and aircraft dropped 20 ft. Because this was low level turbulence, the captain felt strongly it came from the takeoff aircraft. The sudden drop during flare caused a firm landing. The captain was upset enough that he went to tower supervisor to tell him the landing and takeoff separations were too short. Tower supervisor indicated there was nothing improper with the distances between his aircraft and the other aircraft. Captain expressed great disappointment that the tower supervisor couldn't change anything. Captain was simply very upset over the sudden loss of lift resulting in a firm landing for his aircraft. Captain feels ATC should issue greater separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WAKE TURB ENCOUNTER AT LOW ALT.
Narrative: ON APCH BEHIND B-757 BY 4 MI, THIS ACFT TOUCHED DOWN AN AIRBUS CLRED INTO POS WHEN WE WERE 2 MI OUT CLRED FOR TKOF WE WERE 1.5 MI OUT 20 FT FROM TOUCHDOWN IN B757. ACFT ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT WAKE TURB. RAPID ROLL TO R MAX PWR FULL L AILERON. ACFT STILL MADE FIRM TOUCHDOWN ON RWY. SEPARATION STILL TOO CLOSE IF ACFT HAD ABORTED OR WE HAD GONE AROUND IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED SOME RAPID MOVEMENTS AS IT WAS THE TURB WE ENCOUNTERED WAS TOO MUCH FOR ACFT TO RECOVER FROM. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR HAD 2 ACFT IN FRONT OF HIM DURING HIS APCH. 1 ACFT WAS LNDG 4 MI AHEAD (A B-757) AND THE ACFT IN TKOF POS WAS AN A-300. HIS APCH HAD BEEN SMOOTH UNTIL THE FLARE FOR LNDG OCCURRED AND ACFT DROPPED 20 FT. BECAUSE THIS WAS LOW LEVEL TURB, THE CAPT FELT STRONGLY IT CAME FROM THE TKOF ACFT. THE SUDDEN DROP DURING FLARE CAUSED A FIRM LNDG. THE CAPT WAS UPSET ENOUGH THAT HE WENT TO TWR SUPVR TO TELL HIM THE LNDG AND TKOF SEPARATIONS WERE TOO SHORT. TWR SUPVR INDICATED THERE WAS NOTHING IMPROPER WITH THE DISTANCES BTWN HIS ACFT AND THE OTHER ACFT. CAPT EXPRESSED GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT THAT THE TWR SUPVR COULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. CAPT WAS SIMPLY VERY UPSET OVER THE SUDDEN LOSS OF LIFT RESULTING IN A FIRM LNDG FOR HIS ACFT. CAPT FEELS ATC SHOULD ISSUE GREATER SEPARATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.