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Attributes | |
ACN | 304350 |
Time | |
Date | 199505 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zma |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic enroute : atlantic enroute airway : zma |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3450 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 304350 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11500 |
ASRS Report | 304607 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At joses intersection I transmitted the required position report to ZMA on frequency 132.3. The ZMA controller acknowledged the position report, issued an IFF code, and stated that we were already 7 mi inside 'her' airspace. She further stated that in the future we should contact ZMA prior to entering 'her' airspace. The captain informed me that he had attempted to contact ZMA on frequency 132.3 10 mins prior to crossing the fir boundary, but was unsuccessful. Would it be possible for latin american and united states ATC personnel to use the telephone to coordinate traffic handoffs? This would seem to be a much safer and more efficient practice, rather than relying on VHF radio contact between aircraft and ATC. Supplemental information from acn 304607: approaching mia fir while in port au prince airspace, tried to contact ZMA southwest of vetmo intersection by approximately 10 mi. (We were still in contact with port au prince center.) could hear 3 other carriers working mia and port au prince ctrs but had no luck contacting ZMA. Had no problem contacting closer to joses intersection. ZMA advised on contact we should have contacted them sooner! Clearance to continue was then received from mia. I felt mia could hear us transmitting but was busy with other aircraft and would get back to us momentarily which would not be unusual in this area of the caribbean.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE. ADIZ ENTERED WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: AT JOSES INTXN I XMITTED THE REQUIRED POS RPT TO ZMA ON FREQ 132.3. THE ZMA CTLR ACKNOWLEDGED THE POS RPT, ISSUED AN IFF CODE, AND STATED THAT WE WERE ALREADY 7 MI INSIDE 'HER' AIRSPACE. SHE FURTHER STATED THAT IN THE FUTURE WE SHOULD CONTACT ZMA PRIOR TO ENTERING 'HER' AIRSPACE. THE CAPT INFORMED ME THAT HE HAD ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT ZMA ON FREQ 132.3 10 MINS PRIOR TO XING THE FIR BOUNDARY, BUT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR LATIN AMERICAN AND UNITED STATES ATC PERSONNEL TO USE THE TELEPHONE TO COORDINATE TFC HDOFS? THIS WOULD SEEM TO BE A MUCH SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT PRACTICE, RATHER THAN RELYING ON VHF RADIO CONTACT BTWN ACFT AND ATC. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 304607: APCHING MIA FIR WHILE IN PORT AU PRINCE AIRSPACE, TRIED TO CONTACT ZMA SW OF VETMO INTXN BY APPROX 10 MI. (WE WERE STILL IN CONTACT WITH PORT AU PRINCE CTR.) COULD HEAR 3 OTHER CARRIERS WORKING MIA AND PORT AU PRINCE CTRS BUT HAD NO LUCK CONTACTING ZMA. HAD NO PROB CONTACTING CLOSER TO JOSES INTXN. ZMA ADVISED ON CONTACT WE SHOULD HAVE CONTACTED THEM SOONER! CLRNC TO CONTINUE WAS THEN RECEIVED FROM MIA. I FELT MIA COULD HEAR US XMITTING BUT WAS BUSY WITH OTHER ACFT AND WOULD GET BACK TO US MOMENTARILY WHICH WOULD NOT BE UNUSUAL IN THIS AREA OF THE CARIBBEAN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.