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Attributes | |
ACN | 315242 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bdl |
State Reference | CT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15500 msl bound upper : 16500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | King Air C90 E90 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 2700 flight time type : 140 |
ASRS Report | 315242 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4645 flight time type : 2465 |
ASRS Report | 314743 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were receiving VFR advisories. Center pointed out a B747 at 10 O'clock and we began to scan in that direction. He was IFR at 16000 ft and our flight paths would have taken us directly through his wake. While we had him visually, we elected to initiate an immediate climb above his flight path to 16500 ft. We maintained visual separation from the B747, but apparently he got a TCASII advisory because of our decision to climb and subsequently had to write up the incident. He said he would not have considered it a near miss, but because of the cockpit recorder would have to file papers with his company. The B747 pilot thought we passed unnecessarily close. I think, being that we were VFR and he was IFR, center should have vectored him away from our flight path, being we initially had only 500 ft sep and he was a heavy jet. At the time we felt it better to climb through his altitude being we were both operating in VMC, than pass directly through his wake. Possibly center could have suggested a heading to prevent us from passing so close in the first place. Our first traffic advisory was too late for us to alter course without making an excessive bank with passenger so we elected to climb. Supplemental information from acn 314743: we picked him up (traveling wbound into the sun) and immediately climbed to about 16700 ft above him using normal maneuvers climbing about 1500 to 2000 FPM. Aircraft 2 was in sight at all times and we estimated him to get to within 1 to 1.5 mi from us at the closest point. I called ZBW when I got on the ground and talked to a supervisor. He did not believe there was any conflict nor did the acting controller, while we were flying, state it was a near miss. I thought it would be better to climb up and over and back behind the B747 to 15500 ft instead of dealing with wake turbulence avoidance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CORP KING AIR CLB THROUGH OCCUPIED ALT AFTER TFC ADVISORY GIVEN.
Narrative: WE WERE RECEIVING VFR ADVISORIES. CTR POINTED OUT A B747 AT 10 O'CLOCK AND WE BEGAN TO SCAN IN THAT DIRECTION. HE WAS IFR AT 16000 FT AND OUR FLT PATHS WOULD HAVE TAKEN US DIRECTLY THROUGH HIS WAKE. WHILE WE HAD HIM VISUALLY, WE ELECTED TO INITIATE AN IMMEDIATE CLB ABOVE HIS FLT PATH TO 16500 FT. WE MAINTAINED VISUAL SEPARATION FROM THE B747, BUT APPARENTLY HE GOT A TCASII ADVISORY BECAUSE OF OUR DECISION TO CLB AND SUBSEQUENTLY HAD TO WRITE UP THE INCIDENT. HE SAID HE WOULD NOT HAVE CONSIDERED IT A NEAR MISS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE COCKPIT RECORDER WOULD HAVE TO FILE PAPERS WITH HIS COMPANY. THE B747 PLT THOUGHT WE PASSED UNNECESSARILY CLOSE. I THINK, BEING THAT WE WERE VFR AND HE WAS IFR, CENTER SHOULD HAVE VECTORED HIM AWAY FROM OUR FLT PATH, BEING WE INITIALLY HAD ONLY 500 FT SEP AND HE WAS A HVY JET. AT THE TIME WE FELT IT BETTER TO CLB THROUGH HIS ALT BEING WE WERE BOTH OPERATING IN VMC, THAN PASS DIRECTLY THROUGH HIS WAKE. POSSIBLY CTR COULD HAVE SUGGESTED A HDG TO PREVENT US FROM PASSING SO CLOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. OUR FIRST TFC ADVISORY WAS TOO LATE FOR US TO ALTER COURSE WITHOUT MAKING AN EXCESSIVE BANK WITH PAX SO WE ELECTED TO CLB. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 314743: WE PICKED HIM UP (TRAVELING WBOUND INTO THE SUN) AND IMMEDIATELY CLBED TO ABOUT 16700 FT ABOVE HIM USING NORMAL MANEUVERS CLBING ABOUT 1500 TO 2000 FPM. ACFT 2 WAS IN SIGHT AT ALL TIMES AND WE ESTIMATED HIM TO GET TO WITHIN 1 TO 1.5 MI FROM US AT THE CLOSEST POINT. I CALLED ZBW WHEN I GOT ON THE GND AND TALKED TO A SUPVR. HE DID NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY CONFLICT NOR DID THE ACTING CTLR, WHILE WE WERE FLYING, STATE IT WAS A NEAR MISS. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO CLB UP AND OVER AND BACK BEHIND THE B747 TO 15500 FT INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH WAKE TURB AVOIDANCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.