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Attributes | |
ACN | 317042 |
Time | |
Date | 199509 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : clt |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl tracon : rdu tower : tmb |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 155 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 317042 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 55 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 316891 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
We departed runway 18L at clt, IFR clearance to philadelphia. Panther 2 departure, meril transition, to the rdu 248 degree radial flops, as filed. Initial altitude on SID is 8000 ft. Departure control issued several vectors to join the meril transition. Also cleared us to either 9000 ft or 10000 ft. Subsequently cleared by departure to 15000 ft. Both PNF and myself independently heard 15000 ft, and verified it with each other. 15000 ft is unusual because the handoff altitude is typically 12000 ft. PNF was going to rechk but we were handed off to ZTL and decided to rechk altitude with atlanta. PNF checked in 'out of 9000 ft climbing 15000 ft.' center responded 'roger.' passing 13000 ft, center asked if we were level at 12000 ft. Responded 'negative, climbing 15000 ft, as we reported to you.' atlanta wanted to know where we got the 15000 ft altitude from. We said clt departure. He stated clt assigned 12000 ft. We were instructed to contact the ZTL chief by telephone. Atlanta had us continue our climb to 15000 ft. There was no apparent traffic conflict. It concerns me that both pilots understood 15000 ft, not 12000 ft, and further that, on our call-up to ZTL, the altitude we called (out of 9000 ft climbing 15000 ft) was not corrected by the controller. It has always been my understanding that a 'roger' reply from a controller indicates both understanding and agreement.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV DURING CLBOUT.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED RWY 18L AT CLT, IFR CLRNC TO PHILADELPHIA. PANTHER 2 DEP, MERIL TRANSITION, TO THE RDU 248 DEG RADIAL FLOPS, AS FILED. INITIAL ALT ON SID IS 8000 FT. DEP CTL ISSUED SEVERAL VECTORS TO JOIN THE MERIL TRANSITION. ALSO CLRED US TO EITHER 9000 FT OR 10000 FT. SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED BY DEP TO 15000 FT. BOTH PNF AND MYSELF INDEPENDENTLY HEARD 15000 FT, AND VERIFIED IT WITH EACH OTHER. 15000 FT IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE THE HDOF ALT IS TYPICALLY 12000 FT. PNF WAS GOING TO RECHK BUT WE WERE HANDED OFF TO ZTL AND DECIDED TO RECHK ALT WITH ATLANTA. PNF CHKED IN 'OUT OF 9000 FT CLBING 15000 FT.' CTR RESPONDED 'ROGER.' PASSING 13000 FT, CTR ASKED IF WE WERE LEVEL AT 12000 FT. RESPONDED 'NEGATIVE, CLBING 15000 FT, AS WE RPTED TO YOU.' ATLANTA WANTED TO KNOW WHERE WE GOT THE 15000 FT ALT FROM. WE SAID CLT DEP. HE STATED CLT ASSIGNED 12000 FT. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT THE ZTL CHIEF BY TELEPHONE. ATLANTA HAD US CONTINUE OUR CLB TO 15000 FT. THERE WAS NO APPARENT TFC CONFLICT. IT CONCERNS ME THAT BOTH PLTS UNDERSTOOD 15000 FT, NOT 12000 FT, AND FURTHER THAT, ON OUR CALL-UP TO ZTL, THE ALT WE CALLED (OUT OF 9000 FT CLBING 15000 FT) WAS NOT CORRECTED BY THE CTLR. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A 'ROGER' REPLY FROM A CTLR INDICATES BOTH UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.