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Attributes | |
ACN | 317891 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phl |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2100 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 317891 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The scheduled departure to ithica, ny, was delayed due to our inbound flight's late arrival at philly. Our WX we had in the aircraft included the WX reports and forecasts for ithica, our next destination. The WX was forecast to be, at our arrival time, 1 1/2 mi visibility in rain and fog: no worse. We reviewed this information en route to philly before our next departure to ith which would leave as soon as we landed (late) in philly and boarded fuel and passenger. As we arrived in phl, I took care of the busy work (checklists, clrncs, ATIS, weight and balance preliminary paperwork). As the captain went inside to get updated WX. He arrived back and said 'we're good to go, WX is forecast to be 1 1/2 mi on the terminal forecast (well above the ILS requirement of 3/4 mi visibility). But, we saw a 'chance occasional visibility 1/2 rain and fog.' I asked, 'can we go with this?' he said yes, the controling WX is the body of the terminal forecast, forecasting the mostly continuous 1 1/2 mi visibility. We discussed it, looked at alternate airports nearby with visibility forecasts of 2 mi, etc, and agreed to go. Rest of flight without incident, arrived at ith with WX of 2 1/2 mi, rain and fog. It concerned me, though, as well as the captain, if the 'ocnl' and 'cnnc' weren't controling also. We researched it, and this grey area was finally decided as controling by the company, and I agreed. Why did we make this mistake? Rush, behind schedule. Our mindset was that the terminal forecast body was controling, wrong. We all need to keep at the company flight manuals, FARS, etc, and be assertive in turning grey areas into black and white for ourselves and fellow pilots.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER FLT DEPARTS WITH WX INFO WRONGLY INTERPRETED AND BELIEVE THEY ARE LEGAL. THEY ARE NOT.
Narrative: THE SCHEDULED DEP TO ITHICA, NY, WAS DELAYED DUE TO OUR INBOUND FLT'S LATE ARR AT PHILLY. OUR WX WE HAD IN THE ACFT INCLUDED THE WX RPTS AND FORECASTS FOR ITHICA, OUR NEXT DEST. THE WX WAS FORECAST TO BE, AT OUR ARR TIME, 1 1/2 MI VISIBILITY IN RAIN AND FOG: NO WORSE. WE REVIEWED THIS INFO ENRTE TO PHILLY BEFORE OUR NEXT DEP TO ITH WHICH WOULD LEAVE AS SOON AS WE LANDED (LATE) IN PHILLY AND BOARDED FUEL AND PAX. AS WE ARRIVED IN PHL, I TOOK CARE OF THE BUSY WORK (CHKLISTS, CLRNCS, ATIS, WT AND BAL PRELIMINARY PAPERWORK). AS THE CAPT WENT INSIDE TO GET UPDATED WX. HE ARRIVED BACK AND SAID 'WE'RE GOOD TO GO, WX IS FORECAST TO BE 1 1/2 MI ON THE TERMINAL FORECAST (WELL ABOVE THE ILS REQUIREMENT OF 3/4 MI VISIBILITY). BUT, WE SAW A 'CHANCE OCCASIONAL VISIBILITY 1/2 RAIN AND FOG.' I ASKED, 'CAN WE GO WITH THIS?' HE SAID YES, THE CTLING WX IS THE BODY OF THE TERMINAL FORECAST, FORECASTING THE MOSTLY CONTINUOUS 1 1/2 MI VISIBILITY. WE DISCUSSED IT, LOOKED AT ALTERNATE ARPTS NEARBY WITH VISIBILITY FORECASTS OF 2 MI, ETC, AND AGREED TO GO. REST OF FLT WITHOUT INCIDENT, ARRIVED AT ITH WITH WX OF 2 1/2 MI, RAIN AND FOG. IT CONCERNED ME, THOUGH, AS WELL AS THE CAPT, IF THE 'OCNL' AND 'CNNC' WEREN'T CTLING ALSO. WE RESEARCHED IT, AND THIS GREY AREA WAS FINALLY DECIDED AS CTLING BY THE COMPANY, AND I AGREED. WHY DID WE MAKE THIS MISTAKE? RUSH, BEHIND SCHEDULE. OUR MINDSET WAS THAT THE TERMINAL FORECAST BODY WAS CTLING, WRONG. WE ALL NEED TO KEEP AT THE COMPANY FLT MANUALS, FARS, ETC, AND BE ASSERTIVE IN TURNING GREY AREAS INTO BLACK AND WHITE FOR OURSELVES AND FELLOW PLTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.