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Attributes | |
ACN | 329898 |
Time | |
Date | 199603 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sat |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sat |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 4300 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 329898 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
I was being radar vectored at the time. My heading was 210 degrees as instructed to me by ATC, and I was flying an altitude of 3500 ft. The controller told me that I had traffic at 10 O'clock, an air carrier jet making a right turn to final for runway 3. I said yes. He instructed me to make a turn to the right to follow him. I turned right 45 degrees to follow the air carrier jet. The controller told me to move to the right to intercept the final behind the air carrier. I did so. As I turned to my right, to my surprise, there was another air carrier jet descending. He started to pull his aircraft up as I turned my aircraft to the left. The pilot of this air carrier jet informed the controller that he had pulled up because of a TCASII alert of traffic at 4000 ft. The controller informed him that the only traffic he had was a tbm at 3500 ft and that it was not a conflict. After this air carrier passed by, the controller told me to turn right and follow the other air carrier jet to the runway 3. I do not recall if the air carrier jet was on the same frequency as me before he got the TCASII alert. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the air carrier MD80 was descending from behind the reporter, at his 5 O'clock position, while the reporter was on a downwind for runway 3. When the reporter turned 45 degrees to follow the other air carrier on a 2 mi final, he was also turning back toward the MD80 that had been overtaking him. When the reporter looked up, he saw the ship number of the aircraft and the face of the air carrier captain looking at him. They were at nearly the same altitude. The air carrier flight crew climbed and the reporter banked sharply to the left to avoid the air carrier. Reporter was really surprised and did not know what to say at the time. He was also shocked when he heard the controller respond that there was not a conflict after the flight crew reported that they had made an emergency climb in response to a TCASII RA. Reporter now believes that the reason that he did not hear the air carrier that he conflicted with was because he may have been in close proximity to an approach controller sector boundary -- he had just changed frequencys shortly before the near midair collision occurred and now believes that the air carrier may have approached from the same direction on the same previous frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE PLT OF A TBM7 RPTS THAT HE EXPERIENCED AN NMAC WITH AN MD80 WHILE TURNING INBOUND TO FOLLOW ANOTHER ACFT TO LNDG. THE FLC OF THE MD80 CLBED WHILE THE RPTR IMMEDIATELY TURNED L TO AVOID THE MD80. THE FLC RPTED THE EMER CLB TO THE CTLR AND WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT.
Narrative: I WAS BEING RADAR VECTORED AT THE TIME. MY HDG WAS 210 DEGS AS INSTRUCTED TO ME BY ATC, AND I WAS FLYING AN ALT OF 3500 FT. THE CTLR TOLD ME THAT I HAD TFC AT 10 O'CLOCK, AN ACR JET MAKING A R TURN TO FINAL FOR RWY 3. I SAID YES. HE INSTRUCTED ME TO MAKE A TURN TO THE R TO FOLLOW HIM. I TURNED R 45 DEGS TO FOLLOW THE ACR JET. THE CTLR TOLD ME TO MOVE TO THE R TO INTERCEPT THE FINAL BEHIND THE ACR. I DID SO. AS I TURNED TO MY R, TO MY SURPRISE, THERE WAS ANOTHER ACR JET DSNDING. HE STARTED TO PULL HIS ACFT UP AS I TURNED MY ACFT TO THE L. THE PLT OF THIS ACR JET INFORMED THE CTLR THAT HE HAD PULLED UP BECAUSE OF A TCASII ALERT OF TFC AT 4000 FT. THE CTLR INFORMED HIM THAT THE ONLY TFC HE HAD WAS A TBM AT 3500 FT AND THAT IT WAS NOT A CONFLICT. AFTER THIS ACR PASSED BY, THE CTLR TOLD ME TO TURN R AND FOLLOW THE OTHER ACR JET TO THE RWY 3. I DO NOT RECALL IF THE ACR JET WAS ON THE SAME FREQ AS ME BEFORE HE GOT THE TCASII ALERT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE ACR MD80 WAS DSNDING FROM BEHIND THE RPTR, AT HIS 5 O'CLOCK POS, WHILE THE RPTR WAS ON A DOWNWIND FOR RWY 3. WHEN THE RPTR TURNED 45 DEGS TO FOLLOW THE OTHER ACR ON A 2 MI FINAL, HE WAS ALSO TURNING BACK TOWARD THE MD80 THAT HAD BEEN OVERTAKING HIM. WHEN THE RPTR LOOKED UP, HE SAW THE SHIP NUMBER OF THE ACFT AND THE FACE OF THE ACR CAPT LOOKING AT HIM. THEY WERE AT NEARLY THE SAME ALT. THE ACR FLC CLBED AND THE RPTR BANKED SHARPLY TO THE L TO AVOID THE ACR. RPTR WAS REALLY SURPRISED AND DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY AT THE TIME. HE WAS ALSO SHOCKED WHEN HE HEARD THE CTLR RESPOND THAT THERE WAS NOT A CONFLICT AFTER THE FLC RPTED THAT THEY HAD MADE AN EMER CLB IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA. RPTR NOW BELIEVES THAT THE REASON THAT HE DID NOT HEAR THE ACR THAT HE CONFLICTED WITH WAS BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE PROX TO AN APCH CTLR SECTOR BOUNDARY -- HE HAD JUST CHANGED FREQS SHORTLY BEFORE THE NMAC OCCURRED AND NOW BELIEVES THAT THE ACR MAY HAVE APCHED FROM THE SAME DIRECTION ON THE SAME PREVIOUS FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.