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Need for signs alerting flcs of approaching runway while taxiing. Particularly in low visibility conditions there should be clearly visible signs when flcs are approaching a runway. It is especially important when taxiing and crossing an active runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 335233 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199605 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 335233 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
ATC facility: ord tower. Location: taxiway P and runway 9L/27R ord. After shooting the CAT III to runway 14L we were instructed to exit the runway at taxiway P and hold short of runway 9L. We complied with this request, but as I was looking for red runway marker signs for runway 9L/27R I noticed that there weren't any at this location. Under a low visibility condition I feel this presents a significant hazard. Most pilots are now conditioned to look for the new markers and in their absence one might be tempted to assume that what is before one is not an active runway when in truth it is. Takeoffs were in progress from runway 9L at ord at the same time that CAT III lndgs were taking place on runway 14L/right with a RVR reported at 1200 ft. It doesn't take too much imagination to see the potential for a problem without the anticipated runway markers in a low visibility situation. Appropriate markers need to be installed as soon as possible.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NEED FOR SIGNS ALERTING FLCS OF APCHING RWY WHILE TAXIING. PARTICULARLY IN LOW VISIBILITY CONDITIONS THERE SHOULD BE CLRLY VISIBLE SIGNS WHEN FLCS ARE APCHING A RWY. IT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT WHEN TAXIING AND XING AN ACTIVE RWY.
Narrative: ATC FACILITY: ORD TWR. LOCATION: TXWY P AND RWY 9L/27R ORD. AFTER SHOOTING THE CAT III TO RWY 14L WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO EXIT THE RWY AT TXWY P AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 9L. WE COMPLIED WITH THIS REQUEST, BUT AS I WAS LOOKING FOR RED RWY MARKER SIGNS FOR RWY 9L/27R I NOTICED THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY AT THIS LOCATION. UNDER A LOW VISIBILITY CONDITION I FEEL THIS PRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT HAZARD. MOST PLTS ARE NOW CONDITIONED TO LOOK FOR THE NEW MARKERS AND IN THEIR ABSENCE ONE MIGHT BE TEMPTED TO ASSUME THAT WHAT IS BEFORE ONE IS NOT AN ACTIVE RWY WHEN IN TRUTH IT IS. TKOFS WERE IN PROGRESS FROM RWY 9L AT ORD AT THE SAME TIME THAT CAT III LNDGS WERE TAKING PLACE ON RWY 14L/R WITH A RVR RPTED AT 1200 FT. IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH IMAGINATION TO SEE THE POTENTIAL FOR A PROB WITHOUT THE ANTICIPATED RWY MARKERS IN A LOW VISIBILITY SIT. APPROPRIATE MARKERS NEED TO BE INSTALLED ASAP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.