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Attributes | |
ACN | 340775 |
Time | |
Date | 199607 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bvl |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9500 msl bound upper : 9500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 340775 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was about 1 NM west of wendover, ut, and wanted to fly south which would take me through R-6405. The salt lake sectional chart indicated that R-6405 airspace went from '100 ft AGL to FL580.' I took this to mean from 10000 ft AGL to 58000 ft in keeping with the convention of dropping the last 2 zeros as is indicated by 'FL580' in same phrase. This convention is widely used in other FAA and WX reporting applications such as sequence WX reports and forecast cloud bases which are abbreviated with last 2 zeros missing. It doesn't seem logical to mix altitude denominations in the same phrase because of the chance of mistake. I suggest using the words '100 ft above ground to 58000 ft (FL580)' be used which would eliminate possible confusion.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR PLT ENTERED RESTR AREA WITHOUT CLRNC. CLAIMS CONFUSION WITH ALTS DEPICTED IN SECTIONAL CHART.
Narrative: I WAS ABOUT 1 NM W OF WENDOVER, UT, AND WANTED TO FLY S WHICH WOULD TAKE ME THROUGH R-6405. THE SALT LAKE SECTIONAL CHART INDICATED THAT R-6405 AIRSPACE WENT FROM '100 FT AGL TO FL580.' I TOOK THIS TO MEAN FROM 10000 FT AGL TO 58000 FT IN KEEPING WITH THE CONVENTION OF DROPPING THE LAST 2 ZEROS AS IS INDICATED BY 'FL580' IN SAME PHRASE. THIS CONVENTION IS WIDELY USED IN OTHER FAA AND WX RPTING APPLICATIONS SUCH AS SEQUENCE WX RPTS AND FORECAST CLOUD BASES WHICH ARE ABBREVIATED WITH LAST 2 ZEROS MISSING. IT DOESN'T SEEM LOGICAL TO MIX ALT DENOMINATIONS IN THE SAME PHRASE BECAUSE OF THE CHANCE OF MISTAKE. I SUGGEST USING THE WORDS '100 FT ABOVE GND TO 58000 FT (FL580)' BE USED WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.