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Altitude deviation. Crossing restr not met due to late descent. Controller accepted the deviation and the next controller gave a heading change and told reporter to keep the speed up.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 344880 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199608 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : mod |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : oak |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 344880 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On mod 2 arrival into sfo we were given cedes at 11000 ft and 250 KTS. We had started our descent late and would not have made both speed and altitude at cedes. We advised approach we would turn or do whatever necessary to make the restr. The controller did not answer when we first advised. On our second call he seemed upset and told us to continue. We were given a frequency change prior to cedes and the new controller gave us a lower altitude, heading change and ask us to keep our speed up. This was prior to reaching cedes. There appeared to be no traffic conflict.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV. XING RESTR NOT MET DUE TO LATE DSCNT. CTLR ACCEPTED THE DEV AND THE NEXT CTLR GAVE A HEADING CHANGE AND TOLD RPTR TO KEEP THE SPD UP.
Narrative: ON MOD 2 ARR INTO SFO WE WERE GIVEN CEDES AT 11000 FT AND 250 KTS. WE HAD STARTED OUR DSCNT LATE AND WOULD NOT HAVE MADE BOTH SPD AND ALT AT CEDES. WE ADVISED APCH WE WOULD TURN OR DO WHATEVER NECESSARY TO MAKE THE RESTR. THE CTLR DID NOT ANSWER WHEN WE FIRST ADVISED. ON OUR SECOND CALL HE SEEMED UPSET AND TOLD US TO CONTINUE. WE WERE GIVEN A FREQ CHANGE PRIOR TO CEDES AND THE NEW CTLR GAVE US A LOWER ALT, HEADING CHANGE AND ASK US TO KEEP OUR SPD UP. THIS WAS PRIOR TO REACHING CEDES. THERE APPEARED TO BE NO TFC CONFLICT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.