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Attributes | |
ACN | 356972 |
Time | |
Date | 199612 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11500 msl bound upper : 11500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 494 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 356972 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was flying a 182 cessna for skydiving company on dec/xx/96, at 11500 ft MSL and in contact with dfw approach control center. The controller advised that I make a 1 min call prior to letting parachute jumpers out. I made a 1 min call before letting parachute jumpers out and a call of jumpers away after they jumped. I saw a twin turboprop commuter fly underneath. Later I heard conversations on the approach frequency that the jumpers flew by the airplane fairly close. There was no advisory of traffic in the area. The controller stated that in the future I needed to make a 1 min call prior to jumpers away. I told him that I did make a 1 min call and asked if it would help out if I made a 2 min call prior to letting jumpers out. He stated that that would probably be better. Apparently when I made the 1 min call the controller was talking on another frequency or my transmission was stepped on, because he had been vectoring traffic around when he knew we were in the jump zone area letting parachuters out. Part of the problem (this has happened a couple of times) is that the new airway for approach to dfw goes directly over the jump zone. Most controllers try to vector traffic around when they know there are jump planes in the area. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states there has been no follow up that he knows of. There has been some discussion of the problem and the current procedure is to give a 1 hour notice prior to the skydiving activity and approach will begin to vector aircraft 5 degree west to avoid the jumpers. Reporter states that when at 4000 ft with jumpers approach sends aircraft over the top. The problem is when he is up at higher altitudes and there is conflicting traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C182 JUMP ACFT PLT COMPLIES WITH PROCS BUT SIGHTS TWIN COMMUTER FLY BENEATH HIM AFTER JUMPERS ARE DROPPED. ATC COORD WITH JUMP ACFT.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING A 182 CESSNA FOR SKYDIVING COMPANY ON DEC/XX/96, AT 11500 FT MSL AND IN CONTACT WITH DFW APCH CTL CTR. THE CTLR ADVISED THAT I MAKE A 1 MIN CALL PRIOR TO LETTING PARACHUTE JUMPERS OUT. I MADE A 1 MIN CALL BEFORE LETTING PARACHUTE JUMPERS OUT AND A CALL OF JUMPERS AWAY AFTER THEY JUMPED. I SAW A TWIN TURBOPROP COMMUTER FLY UNDERNEATH. LATER I HEARD CONVERSATIONS ON THE APCH FREQ THAT THE JUMPERS FLEW BY THE AIRPLANE FAIRLY CLOSE. THERE WAS NO ADVISORY OF TFC IN THE AREA. THE CTLR STATED THAT IN THE FUTURE I NEEDED TO MAKE A 1 MIN CALL PRIOR TO JUMPERS AWAY. I TOLD HIM THAT I DID MAKE A 1 MIN CALL AND ASKED IF IT WOULD HELP OUT IF I MADE A 2 MIN CALL PRIOR TO LETTING JUMPERS OUT. HE STATED THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER. APPARENTLY WHEN I MADE THE 1 MIN CALL THE CTLR WAS TALKING ON ANOTHER FREQ OR MY XMISSION WAS STEPPED ON, BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN VECTORING TFC AROUND WHEN HE KNEW WE WERE IN THE JUMP ZONE AREA LETTING PARACHUTERS OUT. PART OF THE PROB (THIS HAS HAPPENED A COUPLE OF TIMES) IS THAT THE NEW AIRWAY FOR APCH TO DFW GOES DIRECTLY OVER THE JUMP ZONE. MOST CTLRS TRY TO VECTOR TFC AROUND WHEN THEY KNOW THERE ARE JUMP PLANES IN THE AREA. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THERE HAS BEEN NO FOLLOW UP THAT HE KNOWS OF. THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OF THE PROB AND THE CURRENT PROC IS TO GIVE A 1 HR NOTICE PRIOR TO THE SKYDIVING ACTIVITY AND APCH WILL BEGIN TO VECTOR ACFT 5 DEG W TO AVOID THE JUMPERS. RPTR STATES THAT WHEN AT 4000 FT WITH JUMPERS APCH SENDS ACFT OVER THE TOP. THE PROB IS WHEN HE IS UP AT HIGHER ALTS AND THERE IS CONFLICTING TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.