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Attributes | |
ACN | 359670 |
Time | |
Date | 199702 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : cvg |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 359670 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 350 vertical : 1500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were wbound into cvg with clearance to leave our altitude of 17000 ft down to 7000 ft. Approaching 10000 ft center informed us of company traffic northbound (left to right) level at 10000 ft. We were at 10000 ft slowing to 250 KTS and reported a visual on the northbound traffic. Center again informed us of the traffic and to descend to 7000 ft! We again confirmed a visual on the traffic and that we were continuing our descent. We did get a TCASII RA and the verbal 'descend now.' we crossed behind and below the level traffic at around 8500 ft and 2-3 mi to the south. I feel center should have been able to read our airspeed in the descent and realize we would need to level off at 10000 ft in order to reduce our airspeed to 250 KTS. Perhaps a radar vector to the south or away from the traffic would have resolved any perceived conflict.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A WDB SLOWED AT 10000 FT FOR THE APPROPRIATE SPD REDUCTION CAUSING ATC ADVISORY TFC TO BECOME LTSS AND A TCASII ALERT. HOWEVER, TFC HAD BEEN SIGHTED PRIOR TO THE TCASII ALERT SO THAT SEE AND AVOID COULD BE USED IF NEEDED.
Narrative: WE WERE WBOUND INTO CVG WITH CLRNC TO LEAVE OUR ALT OF 17000 FT DOWN TO 7000 FT. APCHING 10000 FT CTR INFORMED US OF COMPANY TFC NBOUND (L TO R) LEVEL AT 10000 FT. WE WERE AT 10000 FT SLOWING TO 250 KTS AND RPTED A VISUAL ON THE NBOUND TFC. CTR AGAIN INFORMED US OF THE TFC AND TO DSND TO 7000 FT! WE AGAIN CONFIRMED A VISUAL ON THE TFC AND THAT WE WERE CONTINUING OUR DSCNT. WE DID GET A TCASII RA AND THE VERBAL 'DSND NOW.' WE CROSSED BEHIND AND BELOW THE LEVEL TFC AT AROUND 8500 FT AND 2-3 MI TO THE S. I FEEL CTR SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO READ OUR AIRSPD IN THE DSCNT AND REALIZE WE WOULD NEED TO LEVEL OFF AT 10000 FT IN ORDER TO REDUCE OUR AIRSPD TO 250 KTS. PERHAPS A RADAR VECTOR TO THE S OR AWAY FROM THE TFC WOULD HAVE RESOLVED ANY PERCEIVED CONFLICT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.