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Attributes | |
ACN | 368120 |
Time | |
Date | 199705 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tus |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 368120 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Many known hazards in aviation are listed in the charts. I read and even circled and highlighted the taxi hazard at tus. I then proceeded to taxi past the intersection that the highlighted note said I should not taxi past. This was done very naturally because of the confign of the runway at tus. The runway 11 has such a long overrun/displaced threshold, that when you get to the hazard intersection (A4) it looks like you are only 1/2 way to the end of the runway. It is an illusion that says 'keep taxiing.' the real solution is to put a huge, very noticeable sign at the appropriate spot on the taxiway. The tendency to taxi past is so great it 'needs' a sign. The chart's notes are helpful but some scenarios need more safeguards. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter called back and stated that he had not actually entered the confines of runway 3/21 as the ground controller stopped him in time. He also firmly stated that there was no sign advising of a hold short of runway 3/21 that he could recall. From the controllers attitude he felt that there was no problem and therefore did not call the controller on the telephone after his flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PIC OF MLG TAXIES PAST TXWY A4 AT TUS. ARPT CHART NOTE WARNS OF NOT DOING THIS BUT IT HAPPENED ANYWAY. RPTR CITES LACK OF TXWY SIGN FOR ALERTING FLCS AND THE DESIGN LENGTH OF THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD FOR RWY 11. A POSSIBILITY OF A RWY INCURSION OCCURRED.
Narrative: MANY KNOWN HAZARDS IN AVIATION ARE LISTED IN THE CHARTS. I READ AND EVEN CIRCLED AND HIGHLIGHTED THE TAXI HAZARD AT TUS. I THEN PROCEEDED TO TAXI PAST THE INTXN THAT THE HIGHLIGHTED NOTE SAID I SHOULD NOT TAXI PAST. THIS WAS DONE VERY NATURALLY BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGN OF THE RWY AT TUS. THE RWY 11 HAS SUCH A LONG OVERRUN/DISPLACED THRESHOLD, THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE HAZARD INTXN (A4) IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE ONLY 1/2 WAY TO THE END OF THE RWY. IT IS AN ILLUSION THAT SAYS 'KEEP TAXIING.' THE REAL SOLUTION IS TO PUT A HUGE, VERY NOTICEABLE SIGN AT THE APPROPRIATE SPOT ON THE TXWY. THE TENDENCY TO TAXI PAST IS SO GREAT IT 'NEEDS' A SIGN. THE CHART'S NOTES ARE HELPFUL BUT SOME SCENARIOS NEED MORE SAFEGUARDS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR CALLED BACK AND STATED THAT HE HAD NOT ACTUALLY ENTERED THE CONFINES OF RWY 3/21 AS THE GND CTLR STOPPED HIM IN TIME. HE ALSO FIRMLY STATED THAT THERE WAS NO SIGN ADVISING OF A HOLD SHORT OF RWY 3/21 THAT HE COULD RECALL. FROM THE CTLRS ATTITUDE HE FELT THAT THERE WAS NO PROB AND THEREFORE DID NOT CALL THE CTLR ON THE TELEPHONE AFTER HIS FLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.