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Attributes | |
ACN | 400366 |
Time | |
Date | 199804 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dnw airport : jac |
State Reference | WY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | BAe 146-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 16200 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 400366 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 12000 |
ASRS Report | 400190 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
We were cleared for the ILS runway 18 approach at jac via the dnw transition. We interpreted the procedure as follows: identify quirt with dnw and jac radials, then intercept the ILS inbound at quirt IAF for the approach. When we canceled IFR on the ground, center advised us that the procedure turn was required. What we missed: dnw is not an IAF. The transition heading is not within 30 degrees of the inbound course. 'No procedure turn' is not listed. Suggestion for terps: add note 'procedure turn required' on all approachs so affected. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter was a first officer on an air carrier BAE146-200. His captain was flying the approach into jac and they discussed the approach, but both pilots missed the requirement to perform the procedure turn because they assumed that since they were already at 12000 ft there was no need to use the turn to lose altitude, he said. The WX was not very good with low ceilings and visibility so the crew was concentrating on making a good intercept of the course and GS. He thought that they had done a good job even though they were a little high on GS initially. After landing, when they called the ARTCC controller to cancel their IFR clearance, she told them that they should have turned to the right and performed the procedure turn. This was their first approach into jac. The crew was concerned about the procedure and discussed during their overnight stay. Later they discussed this event with their chief pilot and several instructor pilots. Their company has published a bulletin about jac explaining this requirement and other aspects of flying into jac.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR BA46 FLC DID NOT DO THE REQUIRED PROC TURN. THE WX WAS IMC AND THE ARTCC RADAR CTLR NOTED THE INCORRECT TURN, BUT DID NOT COMMENT UNTIL THE FLC WAS CANCELING THEIR IFR CLRNC.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 18 APCH AT JAC VIA THE DNW TRANSITION. WE INTERPED THE PROC AS FOLLOWS: IDENT QUIRT WITH DNW AND JAC RADIALS, THEN INTERCEPT THE ILS INBOUND AT QUIRT IAF FOR THE APCH. WHEN WE CANCELED IFR ON THE GND, CTR ADVISED US THAT THE PROC TURN WAS REQUIRED. WHAT WE MISSED: DNW IS NOT AN IAF. THE TRANSITION HDG IS NOT WITHIN 30 DEGS OF THE INBOUND COURSE. 'NO PROC TURN' IS NOT LISTED. SUGGESTION FOR TERPS: ADD NOTE 'PROC TURN REQUIRED' ON ALL APCHS SO AFFECTED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR WAS A FO ON AN ACR BAE146-200. HIS CAPT WAS FLYING THE APCH INTO JAC AND THEY DISCUSSED THE APCH, BUT BOTH PLTS MISSED THE REQUIREMENT TO PERFORM THE PROC TURN BECAUSE THEY ASSUMED THAT SINCE THEY WERE ALREADY AT 12000 FT THERE WAS NO NEED TO USE THE TURN TO LOSE ALT, HE SAID. THE WX WAS NOT VERY GOOD WITH LOW CEILINGS AND VISIBILITY SO THE CREW WAS CONCENTRATING ON MAKING A GOOD INTERCEPT OF THE COURSE AND GS. HE THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD DONE A GOOD JOB EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE A LITTLE HIGH ON GS INITIALLY. AFTER LNDG, WHEN THEY CALLED THE ARTCC CTLR TO CANCEL THEIR IFR CLRNC, SHE TOLD THEM THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TURNED TO THE R AND PERFORMED THE PROC TURN. THIS WAS THEIR FIRST APCH INTO JAC. THE CREW WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROC AND DISCUSSED DURING THEIR OVERNIGHT STAY. LATER THEY DISCUSSED THIS EVENT WITH THEIR CHIEF PLT AND SEVERAL INSTRUCTOR PLTS. THEIR COMPANY HAS PUBLISHED A BULLETIN ABOUT JAC EXPLAINING THIS REQUIREMENT AND OTHER ASPECTS OF FLYING INTO JAC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.