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Attributes | |
ACN | 427948 |
Time | |
Date | 199902 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9300 flight time type : 1191 |
ASRS Report | 427948 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 428213 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
B767-300 jfk-lax. Flight, approach, landing (runway 25L) and rollout were normal. Captain took control of the aircraft and turned off at taxiway M. We were issued instructions to hold short of runway 25R. I acknowledged to tower and the captain acknowledged to me. After we turned off and as we began to slow from taxi speed to a stop, I went 'heads down' briefly to initiate the after landing checklist flow. When I looked up we were stopped and the only line I saw ahead of us was the runway edge. I said 'we're past the hold line' to the captain as tower cleared an aircraft for takeoff on runway 25R. Captain said 'call the tower,' which I immediately did. Tower canceled his takeoff clearance and when he acknowledged we were cleared across runway 25R. We were told later he had not started his takeoff roll. Factor: runways at lax are very close together and even an angled taxiway the hold line comes fast -- in a large aircraft you may not even feel your tail is clear of the runway. Lesson: even 5 seconds heads down may be too long! Supplemental information from acn 428213: ground control advised us to call the tower on the phone, which we did.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767-300 RWY INCURSION LAX.
Narrative: B767-300 JFK-LAX. FLT, APCH, LNDG (RWY 25L) AND ROLLOUT WERE NORMAL. CAPT TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT AND TURNED OFF AT TXWY M. WE WERE ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25R. I ACKNOWLEDGED TO TWR AND THE CAPT ACKNOWLEDGED TO ME. AFTER WE TURNED OFF AND AS WE BEGAN TO SLOW FROM TAXI SPD TO A STOP, I WENT 'HEADS DOWN' BRIEFLY TO INITIATE THE AFTER LNDG CHKLIST FLOW. WHEN I LOOKED UP WE WERE STOPPED AND THE ONLY LINE I SAW AHEAD OF US WAS THE RWY EDGE. I SAID 'WE'RE PAST THE HOLD LINE' TO THE CAPT AS TWR CLRED AN ACFT FOR TKOF ON RWY 25R. CAPT SAID 'CALL THE TWR,' WHICH I IMMEDIATELY DID. TWR CANCELED HIS TKOF CLRNC AND WHEN HE ACKNOWLEDGED WE WERE CLRED ACROSS RWY 25R. WE WERE TOLD LATER HE HAD NOT STARTED HIS TKOF ROLL. FACTOR: RWYS AT LAX ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER AND EVEN AN ANGLED TXWY THE HOLD LINE COMES FAST -- IN A LARGE ACFT YOU MAY NOT EVEN FEEL YOUR TAIL IS CLR OF THE RWY. LESSON: EVEN 5 SECONDS HEADS DOWN MAY BE TOO LONG! SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 428213: GND CTL ADVISED US TO CALL THE TWR ON THE PHONE, WHICH WE DID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.