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Attributes | |
ACN | 431518 |
Time | |
Date | 199903 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 24r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival star : mitts 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 431518 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On mitts 1 arrival just after denay intersection, started to descend via ILS to runway 24R per what we believed was clearance by previous controller. On check-in with new approach controller, we were instructed to descend to 5000 ft. It became apparent that previous controller should not have, or did not clear us for approach to runway 24R. Prior to the mitts 1, we had received 2 other stars to different runways, plus numerous speed restrs and altitude restrs that did not conform with stars issued. These changes were due to large number of aircraft inbound to lax. Radio chatter was heavy and many communications were blocked, and we were handed off later than normal. Because of this, the only way controllers were able to separate traffic was through speed control of traffic due to parallel aircraft inbound. The new STAR pdz 2 has helped in arrs in lax due to the heading changes allowing more horizontal separation, a more stabilized descent rate for aircraft. I believe a similar STAR on the north side would provide needed relief to controllers and pilots landing during very high workload times.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIR CREW BELIEVED THAT THEY WERE CLRED FOR AN ILS APCH AND BEGAN DSCNT ON THE GS, WHEN APCH CTLR CLRED THEM TO DSND TO 5000 FT.
Narrative: ON MITTS 1 ARR JUST AFTER DENAY INTXN, STARTED TO DSND VIA ILS TO RWY 24R PER WHAT WE BELIEVED WAS CLRNC BY PREVIOUS CTLR. ON CHK-IN WITH NEW APCH CTLR, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO DSND TO 5000 FT. IT BECAME APPARENT THAT PREVIOUS CTLR SHOULD NOT HAVE, OR DID NOT CLR US FOR APCH TO RWY 24R. PRIOR TO THE MITTS 1, WE HAD RECEIVED 2 OTHER STARS TO DIFFERENT RWYS, PLUS NUMEROUS SPD RESTRS AND ALT RESTRS THAT DID NOT CONFORM WITH STARS ISSUED. THESE CHANGES WERE DUE TO LARGE NUMBER OF ACFT INBOUND TO LAX. RADIO CHATTER WAS HVY AND MANY COMS WERE BLOCKED, AND WE WERE HANDED OFF LATER THAN NORMAL. BECAUSE OF THIS, THE ONLY WAY CTLRS WERE ABLE TO SEPARATE TFC WAS THROUGH SPD CTL OF TFC DUE TO PARALLEL ACFT INBOUND. THE NEW STAR PDZ 2 HAS HELPED IN ARRS IN LAX DUE TO THE HDG CHANGES ALLOWING MORE HORIZ SEPARATION, A MORE STABILIZED DSCNT RATE FOR ACFT. I BELIEVE A SIMILAR STAR ON THE N SIDE WOULD PROVIDE NEEDED RELIEF TO CTLRS AND PLTS LNDG DURING VERY HIGH WORKLOAD TIMES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.