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Attributes | |
ACN | 520574 |
Time | |
Date | 200108 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 7600 |
ASRS Report | 520574 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 520573 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Holding short full length 25R at lax. First officer heard and responded to taxi into position and hold clearance. At that time during before takeoff checklist I was conducting 'departure briefing' and only heard the number part of our callsign. As we proceeded onto runway tower asked if we were still holding short. Tower, at the same time was clearing an air carrier Y flight across runway at intersection foxtrot and an air carrier Z flight into position also at taxiway foxtrot. Two main factors contributed: 1) I should not move aircraft until totally certain I hear both parts of callsign. 2) I should not be so involved in a briefing that I am not listening to ATC clearances. No conflict occurred on runway. We were able to hold on full length while other aircraft departed from intersection F (a normal procedure). Supplemental information from acn 520573: our flight was holding short of the runway 25R hold short line at taxiway 'B.' we were accomplishing the before takeoff checklist, when I thought I heard the following clearance, 'air carrier X, runway 25R, taxi into position and hold,' I answered, 'position and hold runway 25R, air carrier X.' the captain and I both felt at that point that we had accepted and acknowledged a valid clearance onto the runway. The controller did not respond, nor was there another aircraft who answered the clearance. Additionally, we were the first aircraft in sequence to depart full-length on runway 25R, the clearance 'made sense' to both the captain and me. The captain taxied onto the runway and we continued the checklist. After we had stopped in position, the controller asked us to confirm that we were holding short of the runway. We responded that we were in position and had acknowledged a clearance to do so. At that time another aircraft was cleared to cross runway 25R at taxiway 'F' and proceed to runway 25L. Also, two regional aircraft were cleared to depart ahead of us on runway 25R downfield at intersection 'F.' at the time of departure runway 25R was being used for departures only. Runway 25L was in use for arrivals. I believe that a busy ATC environment, rapidly issued clearances, and inadequate feedback, both on our part and the controller's, contributed to this incident. We should have been more diligent to confirm our clearance, and the controller might have prevented the problem by responding to our readback.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW BELIEVED THEY WERE CLRED INTO POS ON RWY 25R AT LAX. CTLR QUESTIONED WHETHER THEY WERE.
Narrative: HOLDING SHORT FULL LENGTH 25R AT LAX. FO HEARD AND RESPONDED TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD CLRNC. AT THAT TIME DURING BEFORE TKOF CHKLIST I WAS CONDUCTING 'DEPARTURE BRIEFING' AND ONLY HEARD THE NUMBER PART OF OUR CALLSIGN. AS WE PROCEEDED ONTO RWY TWR ASKED IF WE WERE STILL HOLDING SHORT. TWR, AT THE SAME TIME WAS CLRING AN ACR Y FLT ACROSS RWY AT INTXN FOXTROT AND AN ACR Z FLT INTO POSITION ALSO AT TXWY FOXTROT. TWO MAIN FACTORS CONTRIBUTED: 1) I SHOULD NOT MOVE ACFT UNTIL TOTALLY CERTAIN I HEAR BOTH PARTS OF CALLSIGN. 2) I SHOULD NOT BE SO INVOLVED IN A BRIEFING THAT I AM NOT LISTENING TO ATC CLEARANCES. NO CONFLICT OCCURRED ON RWY. WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD ON FULL LENGTH WHILE OTHER ACFT DEPARTED FROM INTXN F (A NORMAL PROC). SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 520573: OUR FLT WAS HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY 25R HOLD SHORT LINE AT TXWY 'B.' WE WERE ACCOMPLISHING THE BEFORE TKOF CHKLIST, WHEN I THOUGHT I HEARD THE FOLLOWING CLRNC, 'ACR X, RWY 25R, TAXI INTO POSITION AND HOLD,' I ANSWERED, 'POSITION AND HOLD RWY 25R, ACR X.' THE CAPT AND I BOTH FELT AT THAT POINT THAT WE HAD ACCEPTED AND ACKNOWLEDGED A VALID CLRNC ONTO THE RWY. THE CTLR DID NOT RESPOND, NOR WAS THERE ANOTHER ACFT WHO ANSWERED THE CLRNC. ADDITIONALLY, WE WERE THE FIRST ACFT IN SEQUENCE TO DEPART FULL-LENGTH ON RWY 25R, THE CLRNC 'MADE SENSE' TO BOTH THE CAPT AND ME. THE CAPT TAXIED ONTO THE RWY AND WE CONTINUED THE CHKLIST. AFTER WE HAD STOPPED IN POS, THE CTLR ASKED US TO CONFIRM THAT WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY. WE RESPONDED THAT WE WERE IN POS AND HAD ACKNOWLEDGED A CLRNC TO DO SO. AT THAT TIME ANOTHER ACFT WAS CLRED TO CROSS RWY 25R AT TXWY 'F' AND PROCEED TO RWY 25L. ALSO, TWO REGIONAL ACFT WERE CLRED TO DEPART AHEAD OF US ON RWY 25R DOWNFIELD AT INTXN 'F.' AT THE TIME OF DEP RWY 25R WAS BEING USED FOR DEPARTURES ONLY. RWY 25L WAS IN USE FOR ARRIVALS. I BELIEVE THAT A BUSY ATC ENVIRONMENT, RAPIDLY ISSUED CLEARANCES, AND INADEQUATE FEEDBACK, BOTH ON OUR PART AND THE CTLR'S, CONTRIBUTED TO THIS INCIDENT. WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE DILIGENT TO CONFIRM OUR CLRNC, AND THE CTLR MIGHT HAVE PREVENTED THE PROB BY RESPONDING TO OUR READBACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.