A B727 flight crew taxied past the runway hold short line at mia.

Attributes
ACN	440603
Time
Date	199906
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : mia.airport
State Reference	FL
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi ground : taxi out
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 7000
ASRS Report	440603
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 8200 flight time type : 640
ASRS Report	440048
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

At mia, cleared to taxi to runway 9L via taxiway P.' approaching intersection of txwys P and Z, I confirmed verbally with the first officer that we were going to runway 9L. The first officer called the tower to which the controller responded that we were already past the hold short line. We were well short of the 'normal' visual hold short point. I followed the route on the 10-9 page for which there is no indication of a nonstandard hold short point. Supplemental information from acn 440060: the captain did not notice the line since it was so far back from runway.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B727 FLC TAXIED PAST THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE AT MIA.

Narrative: AT MIA, CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 9L VIA TXWY P.' APCHING INTXN OF TXWYS P AND Z, I CONFIRMED VERBALLY WITH THE FO THAT WE WERE GOING TO RWY 9L. THE FO CALLED THE TWR TO WHICH THE CTLR RESPONDED THAT WE WERE ALREADY PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE. WE WERE WELL SHORT OF THE 'NORMAL' VISUAL HOLD SHORT POINT. I FOLLOWED THE RTE ON THE 10-9 PAGE FOR WHICH THERE IS NO INDICATION OF A NONSTANDARD HOLD SHORT POINT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 440060: THE CAPT DID NOT NOTICE THE LINE SINCE IT WAS SO FAR BACK FROM RWY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.