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An EMB145 dispatched with cargo compartment fire detection and fire extinguisher system deferred as inoperative is disputed by the captain as unsafe.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 463378 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200002 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
| State Reference | US |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground : parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 220 |
| ASRS Report | 463378 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Factors | |
| Maintenance | contributing factor : schedule pressure performance deficiency : testing performance deficiency : repair performance deficiency : fault isolation |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Maintenance Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Maintenance Human Performance |
Narrative:
ZZZ is a maintenance base for air carrier. We picked up aircraft xyz early in the morning. It had 4 MEL's on it. I carefully studied all MEL's and checked logbook and MEL guide for legality and expiration dates. All was legal and the 2 MEL regarding the cargo compartment had to be cleared that day. #1 MEL was: cargo compartment smoke detection system inoperative, and #2 MEL for: cargo compartment fire extinguisher system inoperative. Only restr was: no live animals in cargo hold (C2=class C compartment.) ramp personnel and flight attendant were briefed. We departed with 47 passenger and 1200 pounds of baggage/cargo. At 37000 ft, I started to realize how unsafe this scenario is, legal or not...it is unsafe.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN EMB145 DISPATCHED WITH CARGO COMPARTMENT FIRE DETECTION AND FIRE EXTINGUISHER SYS DEFERRED AS INOP IS DISPUTED BY THE CAPT AS UNSAFE.
Narrative: ZZZ IS A MAINT BASE FOR ACR. WE PICKED UP ACFT XYZ EARLY IN THE MORNING. IT HAD 4 MEL'S ON IT. I CAREFULLY STUDIED ALL MEL'S AND CHKED LOGBOOK AND MEL GUIDE FOR LEGALITY AND EXPIRATION DATES. ALL WAS LEGAL AND THE 2 MEL REGARDING THE CARGO COMPARTMENT HAD TO BE CLRED THAT DAY. #1 MEL WAS: CARGO COMPARTMENT SMOKE DETECTION SYS INOP, AND #2 MEL FOR: CARGO COMPARTMENT FIRE EXTINGUISHER SYS INOP. ONLY RESTR WAS: NO LIVE ANIMALS IN CARGO HOLD (C2=CLASS C COMPARTMENT.) RAMP PERSONNEL AND FLT ATTENDANT WERE BRIEFED. WE DEPARTED WITH 47 PAX AND 1200 LBS OF BAGGAGE/CARGO. AT 37000 FT, I STARTED TO REALIZE HOW UNSAFE THIS SCENARIO IS, LEGAL OR NOT...IT IS UNSAFE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.