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Attributes | |
ACN | 468110 |
Time | |
Date | 200004 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Snow |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p31.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : den.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 468110 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | ground encounters other inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
After deicing, we completed our checklists and prepared for takeoff. We still had to do an engine runup as per our flight manual to shed any ice buildup accumulated on taxi. While #2 for takeoff, we observed an emergency aircraft on final (talking with tower) for our runway. The preceding aircraft awaiting takeoff was issued an immediate takeoff clearance and we deduced from the conversation that we would be cleared for an immediate takeoff also. I wanted to do the runup when in position (15 seconds), but didn't want to delay the emergency aircraft. Now #1, we turned 90 degrees to runway and held short. I looked behind and to my left and observed the following B737 had held parallel to the runway and well clear. Because I/we were sure(!) there was nobody behind us, we started a slow power increase to do our runup. My mistake was not following my judgement and getting the area behind us cleared. However, ATC was very busy with coordinating emergency vehicles, etc, and it wasn't feasible at the time. About 1/2 way through, a beech 1900D directly behind us noted his position on tower frequency. We/I immediately retarded power and asked if they were ok, and they responded in the affirmative. We're still not sure how he came to be behind us -- probably from the second parallel. Lesson: trust your judgement and when in doubt, just wait! We finally took off after the emergency aircraft landed and had plenty of time for our runup -- another great lesson learned.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR RUNS UP ENG FOR ANTI-ICE PROC WHILE WAITING FOR TKOF NOT AWARE OF SMALL ACFT JUST BEHIND. ACFT BEHIND CALLS OUT POS AND ACR STOPS BEFORE ANY DAMAGE IS DONE.
Narrative: AFTER DEICING, WE COMPLETED OUR CHKLISTS AND PREPARED FOR TKOF. WE STILL HAD TO DO AN ENG RUNUP AS PER OUR FLT MANUAL TO SHED ANY ICE BUILDUP ACCUMULATED ON TAXI. WHILE #2 FOR TKOF, WE OBSERVED AN EMER ACFT ON FINAL (TALKING WITH TWR) FOR OUR RWY. THE PRECEDING ACFT AWAITING TKOF WAS ISSUED AN IMMEDIATE TKOF CLRNC AND WE DEDUCED FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD BE CLRED FOR AN IMMEDIATE TKOF ALSO. I WANTED TO DO THE RUNUP WHEN IN POS (15 SECONDS), BUT DIDN'T WANT TO DELAY THE EMER ACFT. NOW #1, WE TURNED 90 DEGS TO RWY AND HELD SHORT. I LOOKED BEHIND AND TO MY L AND OBSERVED THE FOLLOWING B737 HAD HELD PARALLEL TO THE RWY AND WELL CLR. BECAUSE I/WE WERE SURE(!) THERE WAS NOBODY BEHIND US, WE STARTED A SLOW PWR INCREASE TO DO OUR RUNUP. MY MISTAKE WAS NOT FOLLOWING MY JUDGEMENT AND GETTING THE AREA BEHIND US CLRED. HOWEVER, ATC WAS VERY BUSY WITH COORDINATING EMER VEHICLES, ETC, AND IT WASN'T FEASIBLE AT THE TIME. ABOUT 1/2 WAY THROUGH, A BEECH 1900D DIRECTLY BEHIND US NOTED HIS POS ON TWR FREQ. WE/I IMMEDIATELY RETARDED PWR AND ASKED IF THEY WERE OK, AND THEY RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. WE'RE STILL NOT SURE HOW HE CAME TO BE BEHIND US -- PROBABLY FROM THE SECOND PARALLEL. LESSON: TRUST YOUR JUDGEMENT AND WHEN IN DOUBT, JUST WAIT! WE FINALLY TOOK OFF AFTER THE EMER ACFT LANDED AND HAD PLENTY OF TIME FOR OUR RUNUP -- ANOTHER GREAT LESSON LEARNED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.