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Attributes | |
ACN | 468276 |
Time | |
Date | 200003 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : see.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : see.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 1 |
ASRS Report | 467771 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 125 |
ASRS Report | 768276 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ground encounters : gear up landing incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Owner and friend flying home from daytona. Owner is rated CFI, not flying. Friend was ATP, designated PF. Friend was not current in aircraft, having flown it only once before. Owner was instructing PF as we entered pattern. At the time, owner was doing landing checklist and put 10 degrees flaps. Would have put gear down then, but was distraction by traffic. Continuing around the base and final approach. Owner instructed from right seat as to power settings, landing cues, geography of pattern and confign. All other items of landing checklist were completed. As we approached runway 27R, I put full flaps and instructed PF to 'hold the nose off.' he did. We settled softly to pavement and gear were not down. Ugh! Gear warning horn did not sound. Both of us distraction by traffic. Also contributing was fatigue. PNF (me) (owner) (CFI) was fatigued from having flown all night the night before and had been at a meeting all day with no sleep and very little food. We thought it would be 'safe' to have a 'safety pilot' fly home in left seat! Wrong! Supplemental information from acn 468889: a representative from the tower came down to the runway and advised me that he was filing a deviation regarding a runway incursion. Supplemental information from acn 468277: after my aircraft landed wheels up on runway 27R at see airport, the pilot and I were walking down the closed runway about 200 ft to pick up debris from aircraft incident. Apparently we inadvertently crossed through the intersection of runway 17/35 and runway 27R tower said we walked on active runway, but we thought the runway 27R was closed (it was). We did not realize runway 17/35 was open. The aircraft had slid through the intersection and there was debris from the aircraft in the intersection. Actually runway 17/35 should have been closed since it would have been unsafe to takeoff or land on it due to several broken antennae and some plastic parts that were laying in the intersection. Anyway, we were more concerned about picking up debris than thinking we were in an intersection -- not knowing for sure whether or not it was closed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GEAR UP LNDG IN A C182 FOLLOWED BY A PEDESTRIAN RWY INCURSION AT SEE, CA.
Narrative: OWNER AND FRIEND FLYING HOME FROM DAYTONA. OWNER IS RATED CFI, NOT FLYING. FRIEND WAS ATP, DESIGNATED PF. FRIEND WAS NOT CURRENT IN ACFT, HAVING FLOWN IT ONLY ONCE BEFORE. OWNER WAS INSTRUCTING PF AS WE ENTERED PATTERN. AT THE TIME, OWNER WAS DOING LNDG CHKLIST AND PUT 10 DEGS FLAPS. WOULD HAVE PUT GEAR DOWN THEN, BUT WAS DISTR BY TFC. CONTINUING AROUND THE BASE AND FINAL APCH. OWNER INSTRUCTED FROM R SEAT AS TO PWR SETTINGS, LNDG CUES, GEOGRAPHY OF PATTERN AND CONFIGN. ALL OTHER ITEMS OF LNDG CHKLIST WERE COMPLETED. AS WE APCHED RWY 27R, I PUT FULL FLAPS AND INSTRUCTED PF TO 'HOLD THE NOSE OFF.' HE DID. WE SETTLED SOFTLY TO PAVEMENT AND GEAR WERE NOT DOWN. UGH! GEAR WARNING HORN DID NOT SOUND. BOTH OF US DISTR BY TFC. ALSO CONTRIBUTING WAS FATIGUE. PNF (ME) (OWNER) (CFI) WAS FATIGUED FROM HAVING FLOWN ALL NIGHT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND HAD BEEN AT A MEETING ALL DAY WITH NO SLEEP AND VERY LITTLE FOOD. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE 'SAFE' TO HAVE A 'SAFETY PLT' FLY HOME IN LEFT SEAT! WRONG! SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 468889: A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE TWR CAME DOWN TO THE RWY AND ADVISED ME THAT HE WAS FILING A DEV REGARDING A RWY INCURSION. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 468277: AFTER MY ACFT LANDED WHEELS UP ON RWY 27R AT SEE ARPT, THE PLT AND I WERE WALKING DOWN THE CLOSED RWY ABOUT 200 FT TO PICK UP DEBRIS FROM ACFT INCIDENT. APPARENTLY WE INADVERTENTLY CROSSED THROUGH THE INTXN OF RWY 17/35 AND RWY 27R TWR SAID WE WALKED ON ACTIVE RWY, BUT WE THOUGHT THE RWY 27R WAS CLOSED (IT WAS). WE DID NOT REALIZE RWY 17/35 WAS OPEN. THE ACFT HAD SLID THROUGH THE INTXN AND THERE WAS DEBRIS FROM THE ACFT IN THE INTXN. ACTUALLY RWY 17/35 SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED SINCE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNSAFE TO TKOF OR LAND ON IT DUE TO SEVERAL BROKEN ANTENNAE AND SOME PLASTIC PARTS THAT WERE LAYING IN THE INTXN. ANYWAY, WE WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PICKING UP DEBRIS THAN THINKING WE WERE IN AN INTXN -- NOT KNOWING FOR SURE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS CLOSED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.