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Attributes | |
ACN | 473080 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp.artcc tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 473080 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time type : 160 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met inflight encounter : weather maintenance problem : non compliance with mel non adherence : far non adherence : company policies non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Had a WX radar malfunction msy to msp with some possible WX in msp. Tops were FL250 with bases at 15000 ft MSL. Cleared to cross delzy at 11000 ft. First officer flying. Discussion made about no WX radar and we both agreed to stay at high altitude until clear to descend below bases due to no radar. First officer's experience in aircraft was approximately 2 months. We were descending at 6000 FPM. It appeared that we were not going to meet our crossing restr and told ATC that it would be close. We crossed delzy at 13000 ft MSL when ATC said we weren't even close. I don't know if altitude reporting equipment had caught up with aircraft, but I considered 2000 ft close. We were switched to approach control with no further action.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DC9 FLC FAILS TO MAKE AN ALT XING RESTR WHILE DSNDING NEAR FGT, MN.
Narrative: HAD A WX RADAR MALFUNCTION MSY TO MSP WITH SOME POSSIBLE WX IN MSP. TOPS WERE FL250 WITH BASES AT 15000 FT MSL. CLRED TO CROSS DELZY AT 11000 FT. FO FLYING. DISCUSSION MADE ABOUT NO WX RADAR AND WE BOTH AGREED TO STAY AT HIGH ALT UNTIL CLR TO DSND BELOW BASES DUE TO NO RADAR. FO'S EXPERIENCE IN ACFT WAS APPROX 2 MONTHS. WE WERE DSNDING AT 6000 FPM. IT APPEARED THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO MEET OUR XING RESTR AND TOLD ATC THAT IT WOULD BE CLOSE. WE CROSSED DELZY AT 13000 FT MSL WHEN ATC SAID WE WEREN'T EVEN CLOSE. I DON'T KNOW IF ALT RPTING EQUIP HAD CAUGHT UP WITH ACFT, BUT I CONSIDERED 2000 FT CLOSE. WE WERE SWITCHED TO APCH CTL WITH NO FURTHER ACTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.