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Attributes | |
ACN | 483840 |
Time | |
Date | 200007 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 483840 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 50 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport FAA |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : dfw.comrdo staffing : dfw.comrdo |
Narrative:
We started at terminal X and were given clearance to taxi runway 17R via taxiway Y. I contacted east ground and informed them we had a 90 min ATC delay. He told us to taxi taxiway left and hold short runway 17R at ej. We did. His intentions were to cross us over to taxiway M and hold short of taxiway Z. He cleared us across runway 17R/left on taxiway M and hold short of taxiway Z. After we started rolling the captain hits the brakes and brings us to an abrupt stop. We are amazed to see a saab, commuter aircraft, roll by on runway 17R. The angles were perfect for a broadside collision and as many as 180 people dead, if my captain was not alert. We were kept on ground control and obviously the saab, commuter aircraft, was on tower. I made several calls to the ground controller, with no response. Finally a shaken voice said 'thanks air carrier X, you are cleared to cross runway 17R.' as we were crossing the hold line, we observed an S80 powering up for takeoff. We asked what the status of runway 17R was. In a confused state, he told us to 'hold short.' I advised him we were well past the hold line. He told us 'to continue,' then 'hold short,' then 'continue across runway 17R.' the S80 that was in position runway 17R was holding so we crossed. At no time was there a supervisor on the radio. The ground controller I spoke with, I have never heard before. I feel it was a controller under training without supervision. I am certain with how close this came to disaster, dfw will easily recall this incident. I have not heard his voice since. The next day, dfw-ord, we were on txwys Y, K, eg, and runway 17R. As we approached our turn to taxiway K, a saab cut us off, at a high rate of speed, heading for spot X. Who is in charge? When dfw doubles up on frequencys, the danger begins. The controller knew nothing about this saab 340.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN S80 PIC, CLRED TO CROSS RWY 17C, STOPS HIS ACFT AT THE EDGE OF THE RWY, NARROWLY MISSING AN SF340 ON ITS TKOF ROLL AT DFW, TX.
Narrative: WE STARTED AT TERMINAL X AND WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO TAXI RWY 17R VIA TXWY Y. I CONTACTED E GND AND INFORMED THEM WE HAD A 90 MIN ATC DELAY. HE TOLD US TO TAXI TXWY L AND HOLD SHORT RWY 17R AT EJ. WE DID. HIS INTENTIONS WERE TO CROSS US OVER TO TXWY M AND HOLD SHORT OF TXWY Z. HE CLRED US ACROSS RWY 17R/L ON TXWY M AND HOLD SHORT OF TXWY Z. AFTER WE STARTED ROLLING THE CAPT HITS THE BRAKES AND BRINGS US TO AN ABRUPT STOP. WE ARE AMAZED TO SEE A SAAB, COMMUTER ACFT, ROLL BY ON RWY 17R. THE ANGLES WERE PERFECT FOR A BROADSIDE COLLISION AND AS MANY AS 180 PEOPLE DEAD, IF MY CAPT WAS NOT ALERT. WE WERE KEPT ON GND CTL AND OBVIOUSLY THE SAAB, COMMUTER ACFT, WAS ON TWR. I MADE SEVERAL CALLS TO THE GND CTLR, WITH NO RESPONSE. FINALLY A SHAKEN VOICE SAID 'THANKS ACR X, YOU ARE CLRED TO CROSS RWY 17R.' AS WE WERE XING THE HOLD LINE, WE OBSERVED AN S80 POWERING UP FOR TKOF. WE ASKED WHAT THE STATUS OF RWY 17R WAS. IN A CONFUSED STATE, HE TOLD US TO 'HOLD SHORT.' I ADVISED HIM WE WERE WELL PAST THE HOLD LINE. HE TOLD US 'TO CONTINUE,' THEN 'HOLD SHORT,' THEN 'CONTINUE ACROSS RWY 17R.' THE S80 THAT WAS IN POS RWY 17R WAS HOLDING SO WE CROSSED. AT NO TIME WAS THERE A SUPVR ON THE RADIO. THE GND CTLR I SPOKE WITH, I HAVE NEVER HEARD BEFORE. I FEEL IT WAS A CTLR UNDER TRAINING WITHOUT SUPERVISION. I AM CERTAIN WITH HOW CLOSE THIS CAME TO DISASTER, DFW WILL EASILY RECALL THIS INCIDENT. I HAVE NOT HEARD HIS VOICE SINCE. THE NEXT DAY, DFW-ORD, WE WERE ON TXWYS Y, K, EG, AND RWY 17R. AS WE APCHED OUR TURN TO TXWY K, A SAAB CUT US OFF, AT A HIGH RATE OF SPD, HEADING FOR SPOT X. WHO IS IN CHARGE? WHEN DFW DOUBLES UP ON FREQS, THE DANGER BEGINS. THE CTLR KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SAAB 340.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.