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Attributes | |
ACN | 491724 |
Time | |
Date | 200011 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 491724 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Narrative:
After landing runway 17C in dfw at night and exiting runway at el, tower instructed us to 'hold short runway 17R at el.' approaching the intersection of taxiway el and runway 17R on el the taxiway/runway sign was installed, but the lights were not working. A runway incursion by our AC almost occurred because I was unable to determine my location. I informed ground control after crossing runway 17R of the outage and they responded, 'oh yeah, there are several outages and they are notamed.' after the flight I rechked the NOTAMS and ATIS and found no mention of the sign outage. The lack of this sign being illuminated could have had a disasterous outcome as we held short just in enough time to watch an aircraft departing right in front of us. The response attitude from ground tower about the sign not illuminated was unconcerned and lackadaisical. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated after landing on a repositionning flight, he was given instructions to hold short of runway 17R. He said he was unable to identify the runway until a departing air carrier aircraft was observed at the last second. He said he applied heavy braking to stop short of the hold bars and was fortunate not to have any passengers or flight attendants on board. He was also very disturbed with the casual response from controller about the outage.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER NIGHT LNDG AT DFW, A B767 CREW HAD DIFFICULTY LOCATING TAXI ROUTE BECAUSE LIGHTS ON TXWY AND RWY SIGNS WERE NOT WORKING.
Narrative: AFTER LNDG RWY 17C IN DFW AT NIGHT AND EXITING RWY AT EL, TWR INSTRUCTED US TO 'HOLD SHORT RWY 17R AT EL.' APCHING THE INTXN OF TXWY EL AND RWY 17R ON EL THE TXWY/RWY SIGN WAS INSTALLED, BUT THE LIGHTS WERE NOT WORKING. A RWY INCURSION BY OUR AC ALMOST OCCURRED BECAUSE I WAS UNABLE TO DETERMINE MY LOCATION. I INFORMED GND CTL AFTER XING RWY 17R OF THE OUTAGE AND THEY RESPONDED, 'OH YEAH, THERE ARE SEVERAL OUTAGES AND THEY ARE NOTAMED.' AFTER THE FLT I RECHKED THE NOTAMS AND ATIS AND FOUND NO MENTION OF THE SIGN OUTAGE. THE LACK OF THIS SIGN BEING ILLUMINATED COULD HAVE HAD A DISASTEROUS OUTCOME AS WE HELD SHORT JUST IN ENOUGH TIME TO WATCH AN ACFT DEPARTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. THE RESPONSE ATTITUDE FROM GND TWR ABOUT THE SIGN NOT ILLUMINATED WAS UNCONCERNED AND LACKADAISICAL. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED AFTER LNDG ON A REPOSITIONNING FLT, HE WAS GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 17R. HE SAID HE WAS UNABLE TO IDENTIFY THE RWY UNTIL A DEPARTING ACR ACFT WAS OBSERVED AT THE LAST SECOND. HE SAID HE APPLIED HEAVY BRAKING TO STOP SHORT OF THE HOLD BARS AND WAS FORTUNATE NOT TO HAVE ANY PASSENGERS OR FLT ATTENDANTS ON BOARD. HE WAS ALSO VERY DISTURBED WITH THE CASUAL RESPONSE FROM CTLR ABOUT THE OUTAGE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.