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Attributes | |
ACN | 526091 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : elp.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : elp.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : elp.tower |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 526091 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 76 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 525748 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical ground encounters other non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
My aircraft a freight carrier, was parked off taxiway G, in what is locally referred to as the 'heavy ramp' an area used for large aircraft parking. We requested and received clearance by ground control to 'taxi to runway 22' for departure. Upon reaching runway 26L at M taxiway--we stopped for departing T-38. When we asked to continue the ground controller asked for our locations. The ground controller was not aware where we were taxiing from: corrective action: recommend that commercial airport diagram label the cargo areas as north/south cargo area and the transit parking ramp as 'golf heavy ramp'--this would remove any question as to our location. Supplemental information from acn 525748: we called for taxi clearance stating that we were at the heavy ramp which is the way that we have identified our parking location for yrs. We requested runway 22 and were cleared to 'taxi to runway 22.' as we approached runway 26L, we observed an aircraft at the approach end of 26L on the runway. We stopped short of the hold line and questioned ground control as the T-38 rotated and passed in front of us. The ground controller said that he thought we were at the new cargo ramp.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC-9 CARGO LINER WAS CLRED TO CROSS A RWY THAT HAD A DEPARTING T-38 AT ELP.
Narrative: MY ACFT A FREIGHT CARRIER, WAS PARKED OFF TXWY G, IN WHAT IS LOCALLY REFERRED TO AS THE 'HEAVY RAMP' AN AREA USED FOR LARGE ACFT PARKING. WE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED CLRNC BY GND CTL TO 'TAXI TO RWY 22' FOR DEP. UPON REACHING RWY 26L AT M TXWY--WE STOPPED FOR DEPARTING T-38. WHEN WE ASKED TO CONTINUE THE GND CTLR ASKED FOR OUR LOCATIONS. THE GND CTLR WAS NOT AWARE WHERE WE WERE TAXIING FROM: CORRECTIVE ACTION: RECOMMEND THAT COMMERCIAL ARPT DIAGRAM LABEL THE CARGO AREAS AS N/S CARGO AREA AND THE TRANSIT PARKING RAMP AS 'GOLF HEAVY RAMP'--THIS WOULD REMOVE ANY QUESTION AS TO OUR LOCATION. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 525748: WE CALLED FOR TAXI CLRNC STATING THAT WE WERE AT THE HEAVY RAMP WHICH IS THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED OUR PARKING LOCATION FOR YRS. WE REQUESTED RWY 22 AND WERE CLRED TO 'TAXI TO RWY 22.' AS WE APCHED RWY 26L, WE OBSERVED AN ACFT AT THE APCH END OF 26L ON THE RWY. WE STOPPED SHORT OF THE HOLD LINE AND QUESTIONED GND CTL AS THE T-38 ROTATED AND PASSED IN FRONT OF US. THE GND CTLR SAID THAT HE THOUGHT WE WERE AT THE NEW CARGO RAMP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.