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Attributes | |
ACN | 533427 |
Time | |
Date | 200112 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : cwk.vortac |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhu.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhu.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 24000 flight time type : 22000 |
ASRS Report | 533427 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Potential midair collision. Flight pushed the gate in aus at XA23 (late). We were in contact with ZHU. After checking in with them, we were cleared first to 15000 ft and in a later call to our cruise altitude of FL220. We were on an assigned heading to intercept the centex 040 degree radial and proceed via the flight fpr. All operations were normal until passing 17000 ft. At that time we wre alerted via the TCASII primary traffic audio alert to some traffic at our 11 O'clock position. The aircraft (I believe his call sign was air carrier xya) was descending through FL250 and appeared to be heading toward us. Since we were cleared to FL220, we were both surprised to see an aircraft so close to our position descending between FL220 and our present altitude. I asked the first officer to shallow his climb rate. We kept the aircraft in sight and did not feel a turn was required. There were no TCASII resolution commands. The aircraft appeared to pass over us with a lateral clearance of less than 500 ft and a vertical clearance of between 1000-2000 ft (best guess: us = FL180, him = FL195). I was about to ask why this aircraft was below FL220 and so close to us when the ZHU controller began to query the air carrier about his altitude. At this time we could still see (using the traffic display) that the air carrier was behind us about 5 mi and level at FL180. This is my best recollection of the radio exchange: hou -- 'air carrier xyz, say your altitude.' air carrier xyz -- 'FL180.' hou -- 'who gave you that?' air carrier xya -- 'the last guy.' hou -- 'stand by.' after about 10 seconds, hou -- 'air carrier xya, you were given a heading of 180 degrees, not a descent.' air carrier xya -- 'oh.' shortly thereafter, we were given a frequency change. On my reply, I told the controller I was about to query him about the air carrier but had heard the exchange. I asked him 'is there going to be any paper on this?' his response was 'no, there was legal separation.' the remainder of the flight was without incident. My concern about the incident is his definition of 'legal separation.' with air carrier xya descending through our cleared flight altitude while on a conflicting flight path, without TCASII there would have been at least an near midair collision and potential a midair collision.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-300 CREW REDUCED CLB RATE TO AVOID A DSNDING ACR ACFT ABOVE.
Narrative: POTENTIAL MIDAIR COLLISION. FLT PUSHED THE GATE IN AUS AT XA23 (LATE). WE WERE IN CONTACT WITH ZHU. AFTER CHKING IN WITH THEM, WE WERE CLRED FIRST TO 15000 FT AND IN A LATER CALL TO OUR CRUISE ALT OF FL220. WE WERE ON AN ASSIGNED HDG TO INTERCEPT THE CENTEX 040 DEG RADIAL AND PROCEED VIA THE FLT FPR. ALL OPS WERE NORMAL UNTIL PASSING 17000 FT. AT THAT TIME WE WRE ALERTED VIA THE TCASII PRIMARY TFC AUDIO ALERT TO SOME TFC AT OUR 11 O'CLOCK POS. THE ACFT (I BELIEVE HIS CALL SIGN WAS ACR XYA) WAS DSNDING THROUGH FL250 AND APPEARED TO BE HEADING TOWARD US. SINCE WE WERE CLRED TO FL220, WE WERE BOTH SURPRISED TO SEE AN ACFT SO CLOSE TO OUR POS DSNDING BTWN FL220 AND OUR PRESENT ALT. I ASKED THE FO TO SHALLOW HIS CLB RATE. WE KEPT THE ACFT IN SIGHT AND DID NOT FEEL A TURN WAS REQUIRED. THERE WERE NO TCASII RESOLUTION COMMANDS. THE ACFT APPEARED TO PASS OVER US WITH A LATERAL CLRNC OF LESS THAN 500 FT AND A VERT CLRNC OF BTWN 1000-2000 FT (BEST GUESS: US = FL180, HIM = FL195). I WAS ABOUT TO ASK WHY THIS ACFT WAS BELOW FL220 AND SO CLOSE TO US WHEN THE ZHU CTLR BEGAN TO QUERY THE ACR ABOUT HIS ALT. AT THIS TIME WE COULD STILL SEE (USING THE TFC DISPLAY) THAT THE ACR WAS BEHIND US ABOUT 5 MI AND LEVEL AT FL180. THIS IS MY BEST RECOLLECTION OF THE RADIO EXCHANGE: HOU -- 'ACR XYZ, SAY YOUR ALT.' ACR XYZ -- 'FL180.' HOU -- 'WHO GAVE YOU THAT?' ACR XYA -- 'THE LAST GUY.' HOU -- 'STAND BY.' AFTER ABOUT 10 SECONDS, HOU -- 'ACR XYA, YOU WERE GIVEN A HDG OF 180 DEGS, NOT A DSCNT.' ACR XYA -- 'OH.' SHORTLY THEREAFTER, WE WERE GIVEN A FREQ CHANGE. ON MY REPLY, I TOLD THE CTLR I WAS ABOUT TO QUERY HIM ABOUT THE ACR BUT HAD HEARD THE EXCHANGE. I ASKED HIM 'IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY PAPER ON THIS?' HIS RESPONSE WAS 'NO, THERE WAS LEGAL SEPARATION.' THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WAS WITHOUT INCIDENT. MY CONCERN ABOUT THE INCIDENT IS HIS DEFINITION OF 'LEGAL SEPARATION.' WITH ACR XYA DSNDING THROUGH OUR CLRED FLT ALT WHILE ON A CONFLICTING FLT PATH, WITHOUT TCASII THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT LEAST AN NMAC AND POTENTIAL A MIDAIR COLLISION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.