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Attributes | |
ACN | 546630 |
Time | |
Date | 200205 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : toaks |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5700 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : rfd.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Make Model Name | Caravan 1 208A |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 546630 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
On arrival to bur near toaks intersection, level at 9000 ft, received RA and aural warning 'monitor vertical speed.' other aircraft was working socal approach, as we were, we each received TA's and had visual contact. Time was about XA00. Departed vny airport. Later that day, was climbing out of 5700 ft MSL for ATC assigned altitude of 6000 ft MSL. Received 'reduce climb' RA. Traffic passed behind us. Were given advisories and other aircraft was with socal approach. Location of this RA was lax 320 degree radial at 17 DME. Lax airspace is very crowded. These 2 resolutions occurred near the same geographical location. This is what got my attention. I have heard in the past of several midairs just west of smo and south of lgb. I'm reporting this in case there is a trend in RA's near this area. Both occurred in class east airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HS 125-800 CAPT EXPERIENCED 2 AIRBORNE CONFLICTS IN THE SAME RELATIVE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION IN CLASS E AIRSPACE JUST OUTSIDE OF CLASS B AIRSPACE OF LAX, AND CLASS C AIRSPACE OF BUR AND VNY AIRSPACES.
Narrative: ON ARR TO BUR NEAR TOAKS INTXN, LEVEL AT 9000 FT, RECEIVED RA AND AURAL WARNING 'MONITOR VERT SPD.' OTHER ACFT WAS WORKING SOCAL APCH, AS WE WERE, WE EACH RECEIVED TA'S AND HAD VISUAL CONTACT. TIME WAS ABOUT XA00. DEPARTED VNY ARPT. LATER THAT DAY, WAS CLBING OUT OF 5700 FT MSL FOR ATC ASSIGNED ALT OF 6000 FT MSL. RECEIVED 'REDUCE CLB' RA. TFC PASSED BEHIND US. WERE GIVEN ADVISORIES AND OTHER ACFT WAS WITH SOCAL APCH. LOCATION OF THIS RA WAS LAX 320 DEG RADIAL AT 17 DME. LAX AIRSPACE IS VERY CROWDED. THESE 2 RESOLUTIONS OCCURRED NEAR THE SAME GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION. THIS IS WHAT GOT MY ATTN. I HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST OF SEVERAL MIDAIRS JUST W OF SMO AND S OF LGB. I'M RPTING THIS IN CASE THERE IS A TREND IN RA'S NEAR THIS AREA. BOTH OCCURRED IN CLASS E AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.