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Attributes | |
ACN | 555670 |
Time | |
Date | 200208 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 1800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : vld.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : vld.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Baron 58/58TC |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 555670 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Cleared to depart vld to turn 270 degrees and 3000 ft. Tower told us of traffic from the north before turning us over to departure. Upon calling departure, we told them that we were turning to 270 degrees and climbing to 3000 ft. Departure wanted to know our position and was giving us a new squawk code. We then received a TA. We told departure that we needed to avoid traffic. A beech baron on our right was turning left, so we continued our left turn to avoid traffic. Once we were clear of traffic, we asked departure why we were never warned of traffic. Departure told us that our clearance was [based] on the fact that we maintain visual separation from traffic. We never had visual contact or were asked to maintain visual separation. Sits like this have occurred several times to me north of the vld area. Military controls the traffic in this area and does not separate traffic well. Moody AFB has a departure corridor just north of vld requiring an immediate 270 degree turn. All incoming and outgoing traffic for vld converge was in an area northwest of vld. Also, it is an ATC training area for the air force and a lot of times trainers are late to correct trainees. Something needs to be changed before there is an accident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB120 FLC TOOK ACTION TO AVOID A BEECH BARON DURING DEP CLB IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII TA AND SIGHTING OF THE OTHER ACFT.
Narrative: CLRED TO DEPART VLD TO TURN 270 DEGS AND 3000 FT. TWR TOLD US OF TFC FROM THE N BEFORE TURNING US OVER TO DEP. UPON CALLING DEP, WE TOLD THEM THAT WE WERE TURNING TO 270 DEGS AND CLBING TO 3000 FT. DEP WANTED TO KNOW OUR POS AND WAS GIVING US A NEW SQUAWK CODE. WE THEN RECEIVED A TA. WE TOLD DEP THAT WE NEEDED TO AVOID TFC. A BEECH BARON ON OUR R WAS TURNING L, SO WE CONTINUED OUR L TURN TO AVOID TFC. ONCE WE WERE CLR OF TFC, WE ASKED DEP WHY WE WERE NEVER WARNED OF TFC. DEP TOLD US THAT OUR CLRNC WAS [BASED] ON THE FACT THAT WE MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION FROM TFC. WE NEVER HAD VISUAL CONTACT OR WERE ASKED TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION. SITS LIKE THIS HAVE OCCURRED SEVERAL TIMES TO ME N OF THE VLD AREA. MIL CTLS THE TFC IN THIS AREA AND DOES NOT SEPARATE TFC WELL. MOODY AFB HAS A DEP CORRIDOR JUST N OF VLD REQUIRING AN IMMEDIATE 270 DEG TURN. ALL INCOMING AND OUTGOING TFC FOR VLD CONVERGE WAS IN AN AREA NW OF VLD. ALSO, IT IS AN ATC TRAINING AREA FOR THE AIR FORCE AND A LOT OF TIMES TRAINERS ARE LATE TO CORRECT TRAINEES. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BEFORE THERE IS AN ACCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.