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Attributes | |
ACN | 557409 |
Time | |
Date | 200208 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : skebr |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl single value : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc tracon : l30.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : clarr 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 13200 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 557409 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During cruise, I, as PNF, contacted ZLA on frequency. 3 attempts were made with no response. Controller seemed to be operating multiple frequencys. I made the 4TH call. Controller answered 4TH call with 'stand by.' at this time I went to las ATIS frequency to obtain the numbers, and operations frequency to obtain gate information. When I got back on #1 radio, ATC, first officer briefed that controller cleared us to 'cross clarr intersection at 13000 ft, 250N KTS, maintain 290 KTS in the descent.' 'contact las approach control and thanks.' (he felt the thanks was for ignoring us and holding onto us a little longer than normal.) we contacted approach, confirming our clearance. Later, approach cleared us to kepec intersection. I acknowledged and then advised them kepec was not on our arrival (the clarr 1). The controller wanted to know why we were in the turn if we were on the clarr 1. We were by this time at skebr intersection -- the point where both arrs share similar but different routings. We were turning to a heading 345 degrees per the clarr 1. Note: skebr RNAV 1 arrival and clarr 1 arrival utilize some of the same intxns and routings and are very similar. Clarr and skebr intxns appear on both arrs. Routing after skebr intersection on the clarr 1 arrival is heading 345 degrees to intercept bld 260 degree radial. On the skebr RNAV 1 arrival, the RNAV course is 349 degrees to kepec waypoint.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 FLC, DURING ARR, IS QUESTIONED BY CTLR ABOUT ARR BEING FLOWN.
Narrative: DURING CRUISE, I, AS PNF, CONTACTED ZLA ON FREQ. 3 ATTEMPTS WERE MADE WITH NO RESPONSE. CTLR SEEMED TO BE OPERATING MULTIPLE FREQS. I MADE THE 4TH CALL. CTLR ANSWERED 4TH CALL WITH 'STAND BY.' AT THIS TIME I WENT TO LAS ATIS FREQ TO OBTAIN THE NUMBERS, AND OPS FREQ TO OBTAIN GATE INFO. WHEN I GOT BACK ON #1 RADIO, ATC, FO BRIEFED THAT CTLR CLRED US TO 'CROSS CLARR INTXN AT 13000 FT, 250N KTS, MAINTAIN 290 KTS IN THE DSCNT.' 'CONTACT LAS APCH CTL AND THANKS.' (HE FELT THE THANKS WAS FOR IGNORING US AND HOLDING ONTO US A LITTLE LONGER THAN NORMAL.) WE CONTACTED APCH, CONFIRMING OUR CLRNC. LATER, APCH CLRED US TO KEPEC INTXN. I ACKNOWLEDGED AND THEN ADVISED THEM KEPEC WAS NOT ON OUR ARR (THE CLARR 1). THE CTLR WANTED TO KNOW WHY WE WERE IN THE TURN IF WE WERE ON THE CLARR 1. WE WERE BY THIS TIME AT SKEBR INTXN -- THE POINT WHERE BOTH ARRS SHARE SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT ROUTINGS. WE WERE TURNING TO A HDG 345 DEGS PER THE CLARR 1. NOTE: SKEBR RNAV 1 ARR AND CLARR 1 ARR UTILIZE SOME OF THE SAME INTXNS AND ROUTINGS AND ARE VERY SIMILAR. CLARR AND SKEBR INTXNS APPEAR ON BOTH ARRS. ROUTING AFTER SKEBR INTXN ON THE CLARR 1 ARR IS HDG 345 DEGS TO INTERCEPT BLD 260 DEG RADIAL. ON THE SKEBR RNAV 1 ARR, THE RNAV COURSE IS 349 DEGS TO KEPEC WAYPOINT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.