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Attributes | |
ACN | 559859 |
Time | |
Date | 200209 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ind.airport |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lfpg.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 559859 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Indy does a terrible job of speed assignments and altitude assignments. We were handed off 19 mi from indy with 1000 ft to get rid of what appeared to be an under control approach deteriorated to an unstabilized visual approach resulting in probable alerts on the jet and excessive sink rates on final. Controller factors include not recognizing the need for extra spacing to descend and not insisting on a delaying vector to get down. Somebody needs to make all controllers at indy aware that the bus doesn't drop like a B727. The approach became normal right at 500 ft but that's not the way to provide us with proper approach guidance. As it was we landed with about 10-15 extra KTS above vapp and 2500 ft down the touchdown zone. It was an overall normal landing except that we got hot brake indications on all 4 wheels from the extra energy used to stop. Normal taxi in, normal subsequent takeoff. No 911 issues, no personal lapses of judgement other than not initiating a go around, just a heads-up that 'normal' can get pushed to its limits very easily by lackadaisical controllers.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 FLC HAS UNSTABILIZED APCH INTO IND.
Narrative: INDY DOES A TERRIBLE JOB OF SPD ASSIGNMENTS AND ALT ASSIGNMENTS. WE WERE HANDED OFF 19 MI FROM INDY WITH 1000 FT TO GET RID OF WHAT APPEARED TO BE AN UNDER CTL APCH DETERIORATED TO AN UNSTABILIZED VISUAL APCH RESULTING IN PROBABLE ALERTS ON THE JET AND EXCESSIVE SINK RATES ON FINAL. CTLR FACTORS INCLUDE NOT RECOGNIZING THE NEED FOR EXTRA SPACING TO DSND AND NOT INSISTING ON A DELAYING VECTOR TO GET DOWN. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE ALL CTLRS AT INDY AWARE THAT THE BUS DOESN'T DROP LIKE A B727. THE APCH BECAME NORMAL RIGHT AT 500 FT BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO PROVIDE US WITH PROPER APCH GUIDANCE. AS IT WAS WE LANDED WITH ABOUT 10-15 EXTRA KTS ABOVE VAPP AND 2500 FT DOWN THE TOUCHDOWN ZONE. IT WAS AN OVERALL NORMAL LNDG EXCEPT THAT WE GOT HOT BRAKE INDICATIONS ON ALL 4 WHEELS FROM THE EXTRA ENERGY USED TO STOP. NORMAL TAXI IN, NORMAL SUBSEQUENT TKOF. NO 911 ISSUES, NO PERSONAL LAPSES OF JUDGEMENT OTHER THAN NOT INITIATING A GAR, JUST A HEADS-UP THAT 'NORMAL' CAN GET PUSHED TO ITS LIMITS VERY EASILY BY LACKADAISICAL CTLRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.