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Attributes | |
ACN | 572440 |
Time | |
Date | 200301 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zkc.artcc |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 36200 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 4390 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 572440 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : air speed indicator mach meter other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : regained aircraft control other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
A flight operated between den and kbna. Due to continuous chop/turbulence at our planned cruising altitude of FL330 I elected to request a higher altitude where we anticipated a better (smoother) ride. We were initially assigned FL350 but found conditions to be much the same. After consulting the optimal/safe altitude charts for our current weight and checking the isa deviation and forecast winds aloft, we requested FL370. (The chart indicated FL380 as the maximum altitude for our weight.) while climbing to FL370 at mach 0.70 (our climb profile) the climb rate decreased to zero. I changed to vertical speed mode and selected 500 FPM. As we climbed, the airspeed decreased until we were level at FL370, however, the airspeed did not increase as expected, but continued to decrease. I instructed the first officer to request a lower altitude with ATC, as the airspeed was decreasing towards stall the autoplt disconnected and a descent initiated. We had descended approximately 800 ft when ATC finally cleared us to maintain FL330. In hindsight, I feel that while there was no lack of attention in the situation (ie, no distrs), I was caught by surprise when the aircraft would not accelerate once it had leveled off. In the future, I will never allow the airspeed to decay below the climb profile 0.70 mach, assuming that once we level it will increase. Also, I will be even more skeptical of the safe altitude charts especially in a heavy aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 CREW CLBED ACFT TOO HIGH FOR THE ACFT GROSS WEIGHT, GOT ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PWR CURVE, AND WITH SLOWING AIRSPD, HAD TO DSND TO PREVENT A STALL IN ZKC CLASS A.
Narrative: A FLT OPERATED BTWN DEN AND KBNA. DUE TO CONTINUOUS CHOP/TURB AT OUR PLANNED CRUISING ALT OF FL330 I ELECTED TO REQUEST A HIGHER ALT WHERE WE ANTICIPATED A BETTER (SMOOTHER) RIDE. WE WERE INITIALLY ASSIGNED FL350 BUT FOUND CONDITIONS TO BE MUCH THE SAME. AFTER CONSULTING THE OPTIMAL/SAFE ALT CHARTS FOR OUR CURRENT WT AND CHKING THE ISA DEV AND FORECAST WINDS ALOFT, WE REQUESTED FL370. (THE CHART INDICATED FL380 AS THE MAX ALT FOR OUR WT.) WHILE CLBING TO FL370 AT MACH 0.70 (OUR CLB PROFILE) THE CLB RATE DECREASED TO ZERO. I CHANGED TO VERT SPD MODE AND SELECTED 500 FPM. AS WE CLBED, THE AIRSPD DECREASED UNTIL WE WERE LEVEL AT FL370, HOWEVER, THE AIRSPD DID NOT INCREASE AS EXPECTED, BUT CONTINUED TO DECREASE. I INSTRUCTED THE FO TO REQUEST A LOWER ALT WITH ATC, AS THE AIRSPD WAS DECREASING TOWARDS STALL THE AUTOPLT DISCONNECTED AND A DSCNT INITIATED. WE HAD DSNDED APPROX 800 FT WHEN ATC FINALLY CLRED US TO MAINTAIN FL330. IN HINDSIGHT, I FEEL THAT WHILE THERE WAS NO LACK OF ATTN IN THE SIT (IE, NO DISTRS), I WAS CAUGHT BY SURPRISE WHEN THE ACFT WOULD NOT ACCELERATE ONCE IT HAD LEVELED OFF. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL NEVER ALLOW THE AIRSPD TO DECAY BELOW THE CLB PROFILE 0.70 MACH, ASSUMING THAT ONCE WE LEVEL IT WILL INCREASE. ALSO, I WILL BE EVEN MORE SKEPTICAL OF THE SAFE ALT CHARTS ESPECIALLY IN A HVY ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.