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Attributes | |
ACN | 587196 |
Time | |
Date | 200307 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bhm.airport |
State Reference | AL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 587196 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 12600 flight time type : 9600 |
ASRS Report | 587045 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to original clearance flight crew : became reoriented other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | signage : bhm.airport |
Narrative:
Runway 24 bhm full length 10000 ft was required for takeoff performance. This option was selected in the performance computer and reduced power takeoff data was generated. Our taxi request included runway 24 full length. We were told to taxi to hold short of runway 24 at A6. Upon holding short, tower instructed us to 'back taxi into position runway 24 cleared for takeoff.' the captain taxied out onto runway 24 but continued his left turn down the runway. I immediately questioned him and said that we needed the full length of 10000 ft. He thought that we had the full length from that position. I told him that we needed to back taxi all the way back, not just the short distance from A6 to the displaced threshold. In order to clear up our different understandings, I asked tower the distance we had. When tower responded, I requested to taxi off the runway and back around for the full back taxi. Tower had no problem with this. At this point, the throttles had not been advanced for takeoff (a takeoff had not been attempted yet). The subsequent back taxi and takeoff were uneventful. Recommendations include that the bhm airport diagram page include a statement requiring a back taxi past the displaced threshold for runway 24 when 10000 ft is required. Someone can mistakenly look at the airport diagram page and assume that 10000 ft exists after the displaced threshold. The performance computer does have a note on the runway selection page stating 'full length 10000 ft on request,' but what information is not very apparent when looking at the 'takeoff numbers' page (as typical with the captain crew position). This can be a critical mistake since we did not have the performance available to depart runway 24 from A6.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 CAPT BECAME CONFUSED AS TO WHERE FULL LENGTH OF THE RWY BEGAN, BLAMING IT ON UNCLR CHARTS.
Narrative: RWY 24 BHM FULL LENGTH 10000 FT WAS REQUIRED FOR TKOF PERFORMANCE. THIS OPTION WAS SELECTED IN THE PERFORMANCE COMPUTER AND REDUCED PWR TKOF DATA WAS GENERATED. OUR TAXI REQUEST INCLUDED RWY 24 FULL LENGTH. WE WERE TOLD TO TAXI TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 24 AT A6. UPON HOLDING SHORT, TWR INSTRUCTED US TO 'BACK TAXI INTO POS RWY 24 CLRED FOR TKOF.' THE CAPT TAXIED OUT ONTO RWY 24 BUT CONTINUED HIS L TURN DOWN THE RWY. I IMMEDIATELY QUESTIONED HIM AND SAID THAT WE NEEDED THE FULL LENGTH OF 10000 FT. HE THOUGHT THAT WE HAD THE FULL LENGTH FROM THAT POS. I TOLD HIM THAT WE NEEDED TO BACK TAXI ALL THE WAY BACK, NOT JUST THE SHORT DISTANCE FROM A6 TO THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD. IN ORDER TO CLR UP OUR DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDINGS, I ASKED TWR THE DISTANCE WE HAD. WHEN TWR RESPONDED, I REQUESTED TO TAXI OFF THE RWY AND BACK AROUND FOR THE FULL BACK TAXI. TWR HAD NO PROB WITH THIS. AT THIS POINT, THE THROTTLES HAD NOT BEEN ADVANCED FOR TKOF (A TKOF HAD NOT BEEN ATTEMPTED YET). THE SUBSEQUENT BACK TAXI AND TKOF WERE UNEVENTFUL. RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE THAT THE BHM ARPT DIAGRAM PAGE INCLUDE A STATEMENT REQUIRING A BACK TAXI PAST THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD FOR RWY 24 WHEN 10000 FT IS REQUIRED. SOMEONE CAN MISTAKENLY LOOK AT THE ARPT DIAGRAM PAGE AND ASSUME THAT 10000 FT EXISTS AFTER THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD. THE PERFORMANCE COMPUTER DOES HAVE A NOTE ON THE RWY SELECTION PAGE STATING 'FULL LENGTH 10000 FT ON REQUEST,' BUT WHAT INFO IS NOT VERY APPARENT WHEN LOOKING AT THE 'TKOF NUMBERS' PAGE (AS TYPICAL WITH THE CAPT CREW POS). THIS CAN BE A CRITICAL MISTAKE SINCE WE DID NOT HAVE THE PERFORMANCE AVAILABLE TO DEPART RWY 24 FROM A6.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.