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Attributes | |
ACN | 613969 |
Time | |
Date | 200404 |
Day | Fri |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : aus.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : aus.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors departure sid : cwk |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller military : 4 controller radar : 15 controller time certified in position1 : 4 flight time total : 80 |
ASRS Report | 613969 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
I have noticed a continuing problem with regional jets not flying vectors to join our departure procedure. Example: air carrier X departs runway 35R, '...radar contact, turn right heading 070 degrees, intercept the cwk one departure, maintain 12000 ft.' the crj initially turns to the assigned heading of 070 degrees, but then turns northbound towards the cwk VOR. This action conflicts directly with our inbound traffic on the sewzy arrival descending to 5000 ft. Pilot was questioned and said that the 'collins FMS' turned him towards cwk instead of intercepting on the ATC assigned heading. Pilot deviation? Airline training problem? Collins FMS programming error? I have personally witnessed this on 8 instances, all involving regional jets. The pilots believe that 'engaging the FMS' relieves them of the responsibility to fly an ATC assigned heading.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AUS CTLR EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION REGARDING CRJ'S DEP NAV PROC.
Narrative: I HAVE NOTICED A CONTINUING PROB WITH REGIONAL JETS NOT FLYING VECTORS TO JOIN OUR DEP PROC. EXAMPLE: ACR X DEPARTS RWY 35R, '...RADAR CONTACT, TURN R HDG 070 DEGS, INTERCEPT THE CWK ONE DEP, MAINTAIN 12000 FT.' THE CRJ INITIALLY TURNS TO THE ASSIGNED HDG OF 070 DEGS, BUT THEN TURNS NBOUND TOWARDS THE CWK VOR. THIS ACTION CONFLICTS DIRECTLY WITH OUR INBOUND TFC ON THE SEWZY ARR DSNDING TO 5000 FT. PLT WAS QUESTIONED AND SAID THAT THE 'COLLINS FMS' TURNED HIM TOWARDS CWK INSTEAD OF INTERCEPTING ON THE ATC ASSIGNED HDG. PLTDEV? AIRLINE TRAINING PROB? COLLINS FMS PROGRAMMING ERROR? I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THIS ON 8 INSTANCES, ALL INVOLVING REGIONAL JETS. THE PLTS BELIEVE THAT 'ENGAGING THE FMS' RELIEVES THEM OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FLY AN ATC ASSIGNED HDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.