37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 616558 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : rmg.vortac |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 14700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : n/s |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 3210 |
ASRS Report | 616558 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : altimeters other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Cleared to cross dalas intersection at 14000 ft. I started down at the proper point, even adding a few mi for tailwind. Reclred to 12000 ft, the 'cross dalas at or below 14000 ft' was added by controller, almost as an afterthought. I had slowed descent rate slightly when the clearance was changed (eliminating the restr), then about the time the 14000 ft restr was tacked on again the captain asked me something which diverted my attention. When I got back into gear I could see the tailwind had picked up and we were now high! I deployed speed brakes and made maximum descent, but believe we crossed dalas about 700 ft high, but descending at about 4000 FPM. The controller made no comment and there seemed to be no conflict. Contributing to this is the 'steam gauge' DC9 with primitive navigation equipment. During my 6 1/2 months on furlough (just completed) I was spoiled to be back in a glass cockpit citation jet with VNAV! I must say that the captain was not mentally in the 'game' to see the restr was met by diverting my attention at the most crucial point with something unimportant. Still, it was my fault, but I needed back-up that I didn't get!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9 CREW DID NOT MAKE THE XING RESTR ASSIGNED TO THEM.
Narrative: CLRED TO CROSS DALAS INTXN AT 14000 FT. I STARTED DOWN AT THE PROPER POINT, EVEN ADDING A FEW MI FOR TAILWIND. RECLRED TO 12000 FT, THE 'CROSS DALAS AT OR BELOW 14000 FT' WAS ADDED BY CTLR, ALMOST AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. I HAD SLOWED DSCNT RATE SLIGHTLY WHEN THE CLRNC WAS CHANGED (ELIMINATING THE RESTR), THEN ABOUT THE TIME THE 14000 FT RESTR WAS TACKED ON AGAIN THE CAPT ASKED ME SOMETHING WHICH DIVERTED MY ATTN. WHEN I GOT BACK INTO GEAR I COULD SEE THE TAILWIND HAD PICKED UP AND WE WERE NOW HIGH! I DEPLOYED SPD BRAKES AND MADE MAX DSCNT, BUT BELIEVE WE CROSSED DALAS ABOUT 700 FT HIGH, BUT DSNDING AT ABOUT 4000 FPM. THE CTLR MADE NO COMMENT AND THERE SEEMED TO BE NO CONFLICT. CONTRIBUTING TO THIS IS THE 'STEAM GAUGE' DC9 WITH PRIMITIVE NAV EQUIP. DURING MY 6 1/2 MONTHS ON FURLOUGH (JUST COMPLETED) I WAS SPOILED TO BE BACK IN A GLASS COCKPIT CITATION JET WITH VNAV! I MUST SAY THAT THE CAPT WAS NOT MENTALLY IN THE 'GAME' TO SEE THE RESTR WAS MET BY DIVERTING MY ATTN AT THE MOST CRUCIAL POINT WITH SOMETHING UNIMPORTANT. STILL, IT WAS MY FAULT, BUT I NEEDED BACK-UP THAT I DIDN'T GET!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.