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Attributes | |
ACN | 627937 |
Time | |
Date | 200408 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : teb.vor |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : teb.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation V |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 48 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 627937 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 5380 flight time type : 3150 |
ASRS Report | 627935 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departed teb, nj, runway 24 via the teb 5 departure. A climb to 1500 ft was initiated and at 1500 ft a turn to 280 degrees was commenced. Heading 280 degrees and 4.3 DME off teb I started to climb to the next preselected altitude of 2000 ft. The climb was started 0.2 miles early, instead of at the prescribed 4.5 DME. Ny center queried our altitude and we responded with 1800 ft, at this time I realized the early deviation, leveled off at 1800 ft and was about to descend. The controller let us know of our deviation, which we acknowledged, at this point we were beyond the teb 4.5 DME, the controller told us that our deviation was not a problem, and issued a climb to 4000 ft, which we complied with. There were no other aircraft/traffic involved, and the rest of the flight was uneventful. In retrospect, I would not instruct the PNF to set the next altitude until we are at the fix to initiate the climb phase of the departure procedure. The duty day started at XA15. At the time of this occurrence, I was 11 hours and 5 mins into the day, which may have been a contributing factor into calling for the altitude select to be changed prematurely. Supplemental information from acn 627935: by the time I got a break in radio traffic, I checked on 'out of 1800 ft for 2000 ft.' the controller came back and said 'you're supposed to be at 1500 ft but there was no traffic and it's not a problem.' I feel better crew coordination could have been done to ensure we did not climb early. Contributing factors, I believe, was a XA00 start to the duty day for both crew members.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT DEV, ALT EXCURSION ON THE TEB 5 DEP PROC WHEN A C560 FLT CREW LEAVES THE ASSIGNED ALT PREMATURELY PRIOR TO THE 4.5 DME OF TEB.
Narrative: DEPARTED TEB, NJ, RWY 24 VIA THE TEB 5 DEP. A CLB TO 1500 FT WAS INITIATED AND AT 1500 FT A TURN TO 280 DEGS WAS COMMENCED. HDG 280 DEGS AND 4.3 DME OFF TEB I STARTED TO CLB TO THE NEXT PRESELECTED ALT OF 2000 FT. THE CLB WAS STARTED 0.2 MILES EARLY, INSTEAD OF AT THE PRESCRIBED 4.5 DME. NY CTR QUERIED OUR ALT AND WE RESPONDED WITH 1800 FT, AT THIS TIME I REALIZED THE EARLY DEV, LEVELED OFF AT 1800 FT AND WAS ABOUT TO DSND. THE CTLR LET US KNOW OF OUR DEV, WHICH WE ACKNOWLEDGED, AT THIS POINT WE WERE BEYOND THE TEB 4.5 DME, THE CTLR TOLD US THAT OUR DEV WAS NOT A PROB, AND ISSUED A CLB TO 4000 FT, WHICH WE COMPLIED WITH. THERE WERE NO OTHER ACFT/TFC INVOLVED, AND THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. IN RETROSPECT, I WOULD NOT INSTRUCT THE PNF TO SET THE NEXT ALT UNTIL WE ARE AT THE FIX TO INITIATE THE CLB PHASE OF THE DEP PROC. THE DUTY DAY STARTED AT XA15. AT THE TIME OF THIS OCCURRENCE, I WAS 11 HRS AND 5 MINS INTO THE DAY, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR INTO CALLING FOR THE ALT SELECT TO BE CHANGED PREMATURELY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 627935: BY THE TIME I GOT A BREAK IN RADIO TFC, I CHKED ON 'OUT OF 1800 FT FOR 2000 FT.' THE CTLR CAME BACK AND SAID 'YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT 1500 FT BUT THERE WAS NO TFC AND IT'S NOT A PROB.' I FEEL BETTER CREW COORD COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO ENSURE WE DID NOT CLB EARLY. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS, I BELIEVE, WAS A XA00 START TO THE DUTY DAY FOR BOTH CREW MEMBERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.