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Attributes | |
ACN | 684242 |
Time | |
Date | 200607 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca.airport |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | msl single value : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dca.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 684242 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1200 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
This is my second rotation off oe; so I am still getting used to this aircraft. I am very familiar with the local procedures in dca; including the operation of military helicopters along the river. Non standard separation over the river seems to be the norm for dca for some reason. I have not encountered this type of operation at any other us airport. We were approaching dca from over iad on the finks arrival. I was the PF. We had a moderate tailwind component in the descent which increased the workload to prepare for the river visual 19 approach. As anyone who has flown this approach before can attest; it is one of the most challenging approaches in the country. It takes a high level of concentration. That said; we were fully configured; stabilized and on speed at flaps 40 before 1000 ft AGL (vref=127K). As we rounded the corner over roosevelt island (to the left; approximately 500-700 ft); we received a TCAS TA. Tower reported 2 helicopters along the river as we received 2 more TA's. We had the helicopters' lights in sight at all times; and because of my familiarity with dca; I elected to continue to land. I felt confident that we would stay clear of the traffic; although it seemed closer than normal. The rest of the landing went normally. Only after I had a while to let what happened sink in did I realize how close the helicopters had been. I was looking at points of light; and maneuvering to avoid them; but I couldn't see the actual aircraft. In discussing it with the first officer later; he reported that we came about 200 ft and 0.2 mile at the closest point. I was looking through the HUD and not at the TCAS display since I was focused on making the turn to final. I failed to realize at the time that the TCAS RA feature was inhibited due to our low altitude. In retrospect; I believe that we would have certainly received an RA. If I were faced with this situation again; I would perform an go around. But I have to question the wisdom of dca tower letting helicopters fly in the approach path of one of the country's highest profile airports; particularly on an approach as challenging as this one. Note: it is common practice to hug the left bank of the river for this approach; because you can make the turn to final at a slightly higher altitude while remaining on profile for touchdown in the TDZ (it's not a long runway).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 ON VISUAL TO DCA RWY 19 EXPERIENCED TCAS TA WITH ISSUED VFR HELI TFC.
Narrative: THIS IS MY SECOND ROTATION OFF OE; SO I AM STILL GETTING USED TO THIS ACFT. I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCAL PROCS IN DCA; INCLUDING THE OP OF MIL HELIS ALONG THE RIVER. NON STANDARD SEPARATION OVER THE RIVER SEEMS TO BE THE NORM FOR DCA FOR SOME REASON. I HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED THIS TYPE OF OP AT ANY OTHER US AIRPORT. WE WERE APPROACHING DCA FROM OVER IAD ON THE FINKS ARRIVAL. I WAS THE PF. WE HAD A MODERATE TAILWIND COMPONENT IN THE DSCNT WHICH INCREASED THE WORKLOAD TO PREPARE FOR THE RIVER VISUAL 19 APCH. AS ANYONE WHO HAS FLOWN THIS APCH BEFORE CAN ATTEST; IT IS ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING APPROACHES IN THE COUNTRY. IT TAKES A HIGH LEVEL OF CONCENTRATION. THAT SAID; WE WERE FULLY CONFIGURED; STABILIZED AND ON SPEED AT FLAPS 40 BEFORE 1000 FT AGL (VREF=127K). AS WE ROUNDED THE CORNER OVER ROOSEVELT ISLAND (TO THE L; APPROX 500-700 FT); WE RECEIVED A TCAS TA. TWR REPORTED 2 HELIS ALONG THE RIVER AS WE RECEIVED 2 MORE TA'S. WE HAD THE HELIS' LIGHTS IN SIGHT AT ALL TIMES; AND BECAUSE OF MY FAMILIARITY WITH DCA; I ELECTED TO CONTINUE TO LAND. I FELT CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULD STAY CLEAR OF THE TFC; ALTHOUGH IT SEEMED CLOSER THAN NORMAL. THE REST OF THE LNDG WENT NORMALLY. ONLY AFTER I HAD A WHILE TO LET WHAT HAPPENED SINK IN DID I REALIZE HOW CLOSE THE HELIS HAD BEEN. I WAS LOOKING AT POINTS OF LIGHT; AND MANEUVERING TO AVOID THEM; BUT I COULDN'T SEE THE ACTUAL ACFT. IN DISCUSSING IT WITH THE FO LATER; HE REPORTED THAT WE CAME ABOUT 200 FT AND 0.2 MILE AT THE CLOSEST POINT. I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE HUD AND NOT AT THE TCAS DISPLAY SINCE I WAS FOCUSED ON MAKING THE TURN TO FINAL. I FAILED TO REALIZE AT THE TIME THAT THE TCAS RA FEATURE WAS INHIBITED DUE TO OUR LOW ALT. IN RETROSPECT; I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY RECEIVED AN RA. IF I WERE FACED WITH THIS SITUATION AGAIN; I WOULD PERFORM AN GAR. BUT I HAVE TO QUESTION THE WISDOM OF DCA TWR LETTING HELIS FLY IN THE APCH PATH OF ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S HIGHEST PROFILE ARPTS; PARTICULARLY ON AN APCH AS CHALLENGING AS THIS ONE. NOTE: IT IS COMMON PRACTICE TO HUG THE LEFT BANK OF THE RIVER FOR THIS APCH; BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKE THE TURN TO FINAL AT A SLIGHTLY HIGHER ALT WHILE REMAINING ON PROFILE FOR TOUCHDOWN IN THE TDZ (IT'S NOT A LONG RUNWAY).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.