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Attributes | |
ACN | 715382 |
Time | |
Date | 200610 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : cim.vortac |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 36000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | Other |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 23500 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 715382 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 6800 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 715502 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
ZAB notified us of traffic at 12 O'clock position; 10 mi at FL370; we were level at FL360. Traffic sighted both visually and on TCAS. Aircraft was experiencing very slight mountain wave. At approximately 4 mi and closing we received a TCAS RA 'descend; descend' without any prior 'traffic; traffic.' I disconnected both the autoplt and autothrottles; nosed down within the allotted 5 seconds to 1200 FPM down; traffic crossed overhead while we were at FL358.5; commenced a climb back up to FL360. We topped at FL361.3 during the return to level flight. First officer advised ATC that we had complied with a TCAS RA. Center queried both aircraft as to their indicated altitudes. (The other aircraft had no TCAS indications at any time during this period). We showed FL360 on captain's pfd; FL359.8 on first officer's pfd; and FL360 on standby altimeter. We were asked to call ATC on arrival at phx. I spoke with mr X of ZAB and described what we saw; what we did; and the altitudes involved. Mr X was unaware of the airbus characteristic of flying a 'soft' altitude (+/-50 ft on the set altitude) and I suggested that the event might have been caused by a combination of minor mountain wave; soft altitude flown; and a sensitive TCAS system. He indicated that 'headquarters' might want him to file an 'incident' report; but definitely not a 'pilot deviation' report. Passenger and crew were unaware of the TCAS event.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 FLT CREW EXPERIENCED AN RA WHEN FLYING 1000 FT BELOW TFC BECAUSE OF MOUNTAIN WAVE AND THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE AIRBUS TO FLY SOFT ALTS.
Narrative: ZAB NOTIFIED US OF TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK POS; 10 MI AT FL370; WE WERE LEVEL AT FL360. TFC SIGHTED BOTH VISUALLY AND ON TCAS. ACFT WAS EXPERIENCING VERY SLIGHT MOUNTAIN WAVE. AT APPROX 4 MI AND CLOSING WE RECEIVED A TCAS RA 'DSND; DSND' WITHOUT ANY PRIOR 'TFC; TFC.' I DISCONNECTED BOTH THE AUTOPLT AND AUTOTHROTTLES; NOSED DOWN WITHIN THE ALLOTTED 5 SECONDS TO 1200 FPM DOWN; TFC CROSSED OVERHEAD WHILE WE WERE AT FL358.5; COMMENCED A CLB BACK UP TO FL360. WE TOPPED AT FL361.3 DURING THE RETURN TO LEVEL FLT. FO ADVISED ATC THAT WE HAD COMPLIED WITH A TCAS RA. CTR QUERIED BOTH ACFT AS TO THEIR INDICATED ALTS. (THE OTHER ACFT HAD NO TCAS INDICATIONS AT ANY TIME DURING THIS PERIOD). WE SHOWED FL360 ON CAPT'S PFD; FL359.8 ON FO'S PFD; AND FL360 ON STANDBY ALTIMETER. WE WERE ASKED TO CALL ATC ON ARR AT PHX. I SPOKE WITH MR X OF ZAB AND DESCRIBED WHAT WE SAW; WHAT WE DID; AND THE ALTS INVOLVED. MR X WAS UNAWARE OF THE AIRBUS CHARACTERISTIC OF FLYING A 'SOFT' ALT (+/-50 FT ON THE SET ALT) AND I SUGGESTED THAT THE EVENT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY A COMBINATION OF MINOR MOUNTAIN WAVE; SOFT ALT FLOWN; AND A SENSITIVE TCAS SYS. HE INDICATED THAT 'HEADQUARTERS' MIGHT WANT HIM TO FILE AN 'INCIDENT' RPT; BUT DEFINITELY NOT A 'PLTDEV' RPT. PAX AND CREW WERE UNAWARE OF THE TCAS EVENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.