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Attributes | |
ACN | 727169 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sbj.vor |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : newark7 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 727169 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain |
ASRS Report | 717168 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Situations | |
Chart | sid : newark |
Narrative:
I loaded the FMS per our pre departure clearance and flight plan; to wit: 'ewr parke J6 lit BYP5 dfw.' I then scrolled through the route page and no discrepancies appeared; activated the route; and scrolled through the legs page with no discrepancies. I reviewed the communication charts and noticed we had to be radar vectored by ATC to parke; since the depicted radial from sbj is not a route structure airway; rather; a fix identification radial off of sbj. During climb out we flew the 190 and 220 degree heading as specified in the EWR7 departure. Upon contact with departure; the controller cleared us to climb to 11000 ft; then we were instructed to contact another departure controller. Upon contact with this controller we were cleared direct sbj; then flight plan route as filed. I began the climb; and the captain checked the communication charts and told the controller that the sbj fix was not on our flight plan. The controller stated it was on the EWR7 and leveled us at 6000 ft and gave us a heading of 330 degrees. After approximately one min; he gave us a heading of 300 degrees to join the airway (J6); and cleared us to climb to 11000 ft. We did not experience any conflicts with other aircraft; and discovered that the subsequent vectoring took us almost direct to parke. In all my 14 years of flying this departure out of ewr; I have always received radar vectors to the initial fix as represented on the flight plan and pre departure clearance.supplemental information from acn 727168: after reaching cruise altitude the first officer and I took the time to look at the departure procedure again and noticed a routing box in the bottom right corner of the plate which showed routing after the initial climb procedure. This is the first time I have ever seen a departure plate presented this way.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DEPARTING EWR; MD80 FLT CREW IS CONFUSED BY UNIQUE FORMAT OF COMMERCIAL CHART TO PARKE INTXN.
Narrative: I LOADED THE FMS PER OUR PDC AND FLT PLAN; TO WIT: 'EWR PARKE J6 LIT BYP5 DFW.' I THEN SCROLLED THROUGH THE RTE PAGE AND NO DISCREPANCIES APPEARED; ACTIVATED THE RTE; AND SCROLLED THROUGH THE LEGS PAGE WITH NO DISCREPANCIES. I REVIEWED THE COM CHARTS AND NOTICED WE HAD TO BE RADAR VECTORED BY ATC TO PARKE; SINCE THE DEPICTED RADIAL FROM SBJ IS NOT A ROUTE STRUCTURE AIRWAY; RATHER; A FIX IDENTIFICATION RADIAL OFF OF SBJ. DURING CLBOUT WE FLEW THE 190 AND 220 DEG HEADING AS SPECIFIED IN THE EWR7 DEP. UPON CONTACT WITH DEP; THE CTLR CLEARED US TO CLB TO 11000 FT; THEN WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT ANOTHER DEP CTLR. UPON CONTACT WITH THIS CTLR WE WERE CLRED DIRECT SBJ; THEN FLT PLAN ROUTE AS FILED. I BEGAN THE CLB; AND THE CAPT CHKED THE COM CHARTS AND TOLD THE CTLR THAT THE SBJ FIX WAS NOT ON OUR FLT PLAN. THE CTLR STATED IT WAS ON THE EWR7 AND LEVELED US AT 6000 FT AND GAVE US A HEADING OF 330 DEGS. AFTER APPROX ONE MIN; HE GAVE US A HEADING OF 300 DEGS TO JOIN THE AIRWAY (J6); AND CLRED US TO CLB TO 11000 FT. WE DID NOT EXPERIENCE ANY CONFLICTS WITH OTHER ACFT; AND DISCOVERED THAT THE SUBSEQUENT VECTORING TOOK US ALMOST DIRECT TO PARKE. IN ALL MY 14 YEARS OF FLYING THIS DEP OUT OF EWR; I HAVE ALWAYS RECEIVED RADAR VECTORS TO THE INITIAL FIX AS REPRESENTED ON THE FLT PLAN AND PDC.SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 727168: AFTER REACHING CRUISE ALT THE FO AND I TOOK THE TIME TO LOOK AT THE DEP PROC AGAIN AND NOTICED A ROUTING BOX IN THE BOTTOM R CORNER OF THE PLATE WHICH SHOWED ROUTING AFTER THE INITIAL CLB PROC. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER SEEN A DEP PLATE PRESENTED THIS WAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.