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An air carrier captain reported confusion flying new RNAV departure out of clt that apparently resulted in a track deviation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 803468 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200809 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : clt.airport |
| State Reference | NC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 803468 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We had a problem with the new RNAV departures out of clt today. Here was our flight plan: HARRAY2.harray vxv direct. The clearance we received from ATC prior to departure: HARRAY2 harray vxv as filed. The way I understood it is that we were supposed to fly to vxv after harray. If the controller would have said: 'HARRAY2 vxv transition' we would have programmed in the fix 'zavier.' 2 center controllers asked us about our route and seemed somewhat concerned; but they never came back with a definite answer. They just said they were going to look into it. Later; I asked clt clearance delivery (who did not know); and then his supervisor who I spoke on the phone with (who did not know) and never got a good answer. It seems like everybody is somewhat confused about how to fly these departures. Could somebody please enlighten us? Thank you.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR CAPT REPORTED CONFUSION FLYING NEW RNAV DEP OUT OF CLT THAT APPARENTLY RESULTED IN A TRACK DEV.
Narrative: WE HAD A PROB WITH THE NEW RNAV DEPS OUT OF CLT TODAY. HERE WAS OUR FLT PLAN: HARRAY2.HARRAY VXV DIRECT. THE CLRNC WE RECEIVED FROM ATC PRIOR TO DEP: HARRAY2 HARRAY VXV AS FILED. THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT IS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO FLY TO VXV AFTER HARRAY. IF THE CTLR WOULD HAVE SAID: 'HARRAY2 VXV TRANSITION' WE WOULD HAVE PROGRAMMED IN THE FIX 'ZAVIER.' 2 CTR CTLRS ASKED US ABOUT OUR RTE AND SEEMED SOMEWHAT CONCERNED; BUT THEY NEVER CAME BACK WITH A DEFINITE ANSWER. THEY JUST SAID THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT. LATER; I ASKED CLT CLRNC DELIVERY (WHO DID NOT KNOW); AND THEN HIS SUPVR WHO I SPOKE ON THE PHONE WITH (WHO DID NOT KNOW) AND NEVER GOT A GOOD ANSWER. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS SOMEWHAT CONFUSED ABOUT HOW TO FLY THESE DEPS. COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US? THANK YOU.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.