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Attributes | |
ACN | 80458 |
Time | |
Date | 198801 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mem |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 80458 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
ZME gave large transport X a clearance to leave FL330, pilot discretion to FL240, which I acknowledged and the copilot who was flying at the same time selected FL240 on the mode control panel as per SOP. We were approximately FL315 when center again called and asked our altitude. I replied FL315 descending to FL240 pilot discretion. He advised us the clearance was for same company large transport Y. We started back for FL330 and at FL325 we were cleared again for FL240 pilot discretion. We descend with no problems and on the ground in men I called center and after reviewing the tapes they said we were correct and we had been cleared and were correct in starting our descent. Large transport Y said they also received a pilot discretion to FL240 which we did not remember hearing, so it was nice to know that we did not violate an altitude. I do not know the controller's situation so I cannot comment on what can be done to help situations such as this. Our procedure of one on the radio and the other operating the altitude selector helps some to resolve errors.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DESCENT CLRNC GIVEN TO WRONG ACFT.
Narrative: ZME GAVE LGT X A CLRNC TO LEAVE FL330, PLT DISCRETION TO FL240, WHICH I ACKNOWLEDGED AND THE COPLT WHO WAS FLYING AT THE SAME TIME SELECTED FL240 ON THE MODE CTL PANEL AS PER SOP. WE WERE APPROX FL315 WHEN CENTER AGAIN CALLED AND ASKED OUR ALT. I REPLIED FL315 DSNDING TO FL240 PLT DISCRETION. HE ADVISED US THE CLRNC WAS FOR SAME COMPANY LGT Y. WE STARTED BACK FOR FL330 AND AT FL325 WE WERE CLRED AGAIN FOR FL240 PLT DISCRETION. WE DSND WITH NO PROBS AND ON THE GND IN MEN I CALLED CENTER AND AFTER REVIEWING THE TAPES THEY SAID WE WERE CORRECT AND WE HAD BEEN CLRED AND WERE CORRECT IN STARTING OUR DSCNT. LGT Y SAID THEY ALSO RECEIVED A PLT DISCRETION TO FL240 WHICH WE DID NOT REMEMBER HEARING, SO IT WAS NICE TO KNOW THAT WE DID NOT VIOLATE AN ALT. I DO NOT KNOW THE CTLR'S SITUATION SO I CANNOT COMMENT ON WHAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP SITUATIONS SUCH AS THIS. OUR PROC OF ONE ON THE RADIO AND THE OTHER OPERATING THE ALT SELECTOR HELPS SOME TO RESOLVE ERRORS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.